Would you consider having surveillance camera at home?

Would you consider having surveillance camera at home?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • No

    Votes: 11 31.4%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 9 25.7%

  • Done

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
totally agree with aussiegal.

Feeding real and cooked food with fingers involves with sucking feeder's fingers. Imagine all the germs on one's hands especially in the nails. Personally I can never accept that and I myself never never do that to my or others' children. As mentioned by aussiegal, the DH fed the kid in a playground, so obviously her hands weren't washed. I don't know what to say apart from "gross".

Believe me, we all know the pleasure of eating with fingers, especially eating chicken wings, mangoes, durians, tacos, cookies and pizza of course. but we are talking about a different case. so please don't get us wrong.

Having cameras at home, I can at least minimize the possibility of doing that by the DH.
 
Ah, Aussiegal... little monster proves my point. I am not confusing the issue.

"Feeding real and cooked food with fingers involves with sucking feeder's fingers. Imagine all the germs on one's hands especially in the nails. Personally I can never accept that and I myself never never do that to my or others' children." I am offended. A lot. Because we (from developing world and yes, we are educated too!) eat our every day food, not pizza, not cookies but cooked food like rice, lentils, vegetables etc with our hands. I feed my child with my fingers too. I love sucking my fingers after a finishing a good meal. It is you guys who are ignorant and disrespectful of other cultures not us (and this covers a lot of countries besides India or Indonesia most likely) who is weird/gross.

And yes, anyone who does not wash their hands before eating with their hands- it is gross. You wash hands before and you wash hands after. That is the first etiquette of eating with your hands.
 
You shouldn`t be offended, Suv. What people find gross is HELPERS using the hands they ate cooked foods(like rice, curry)with to feed the children. THAT is gross because the helper is not the mother. No one was attacking the act of eating food with hands, sucking or not.

I don`t think anyone was ignorant or disrespectful - they are just remarking that they think it`s gross if someone else, other than the parent, feeds the child with the same hands that have just been in the mouth of the feeder. I think so too.

I spent 3 years on the Thai-Burma border trying to eat rice and curry with my hands(ok I gave up after a year). It`s not as easy as it looks:)
 
:) Shenzhenniffer. Thanks for diffusing my explosive mood. I am pretty sure Little Monster is not talking only about helpers putting their hands in child's mouth. Per her comment, she wouldn't even do it herself (clean hands or not). I think Carang covered it best earlier. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I agree with Shenzhennifer. Please don't get offended in any way. I'm pretty sure majority of the members on this forum are educated and/or open-minded enough to embrace and respect and appreciate the fact that there are different cultures in the world. As the OP said, let's not put our focus on cultural differences.

I think many people would agree that what we truly worry about is not the hand feeding itself, it's the hygiene associated with that. I don't think anyone would want their child to be fed with anyone's hands without proper observance of the good hygiene standard, which obviously happens a lot on a playground.

What is the original question again?:haha:
 
So Suv, you really think it is ok for your helper to suck her fingers then feed your children? Definitely different strokes for different folks.

Given that we live in such a built up area already (HK) with such quick and easy transfer of sickness and illness why would you want to increase the risk of this happening any more? Am curious to know, did you continue to allow your helper to do this when panic had starting setting in about swine flu?

No need to play the race or culture card by the way. One side of my family is three generations born in India. To me it's not a question of culture but common sense. I think the reality is even if you think your helper feeding your child with their fingers is ok it's just not worth the health risk.
 
ok, swine flu.... as far as i can tell seems to be no more dangerous than other strains of the flu. except that there is no vaccine for it...

as for the rest of the concern regarding it, there is something i don't understand.

why do people need to be "extra" vigilant? why do they have to remind people to wash their hands?why are places now sure to clean every 2-4 hours? why is it such a big deal that they are disinfecting places?

shouldn't they/we be doing that ALL the time????
 
Same old same old, people know they should wash their hands after using the loo yet many (MANY) don't. Some people are just stupid and need to be told. Why do we need little green men to tell us when to cross the road? Some people need all the instructions they can get and still they don't 'get it' !

Also, as this thread has clearly demonstrated, different people have different ideas on what is hygienic and what isn't. I'm all for people being 'extra vigilant' if it means they wash their hands after eating food with their hands and touching doors, lift buttons etc that I will touch :haha:
 
i read once that something like 97% of people SAY they wash their hands with soap after using the toilet... but only 67% actually do.... YUCK!
 
i guess it ranks up there with "don't swim in the sea if you are cut or are bleeding... don't swim if there is a danger: shark spotted flag hoisted..."

well..... DUH!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hahaha......the current discussion seems to be way off from the original subject. but anyways, good to learn the different views on the subject.

Some mommies raised the matter of trust in their DHs and of privacy when cameras are installed. Even if there is a huge amount of trust, I think a good monitor system is necessary to supervise the quality of their work. Like if you work in a high fashion store, mystery shoppers will come and check on your service from time to time. If you work in an office, your computer is monitored by your IT team so that they know what websites you browse, etc. A lot of all sorts of monitoring system to make sure you are doing the right things.

My point is, why the DHs deserve so much trust and privacy (especially when your priceless property - your baby, is in their hands) when especially at the beginning they are just someone we do not know at all? talking about privacy, man, they are getting paid to work for the employer, the moment they get onduty, they should not have too much of privacy. When we go to work, do we really have our privacy? we do have our privacy when we get off from work, and same for the DHs, they will get their privacy when they are off duty. Before raising another off-topic dispute, I have to make it clear that when I am talking about privacy, I do respect privacy in her own room and in the bathroom.

You can call me chicken, but I can never leave my baby alone with a DH. Just had a chat with my hubby, and he told me that his grandma witnessed her neighbor's DH putting her menstrual discharge into the dish she was making. His grandma was visiting Indonesia when she was young. It is certainly a horrifying experience.

It's just my personal opinion about this subject. :thanks
 
My friend in Malaysia has installed cameras in his house. He has 3 little ones and his wife is a full time mommy, and he does hire helpers to help his wife.
Whenever he has a minute at work, he would get online and see what is going on at home. NOt necessarily to check on the helpers, but to see what the kids are doing. With the cameras, he can witness the growth of his kids and he won't miss too much of their cutest of everything. As parents, it is always more fulfilling to see than to be told.
Technology advancement has made our life much easier, so why don't we make the best use out of it?:thanks
 
completely agree with Hunter.

I am considering to put up cameras as I am going back to work next month. Any suggestions where I can get these cameras?

Thank you.
 
I think your mindset is completely different if you are installing cameras cos you are missing your children to not trusting your helper to do her job properly. With the former, it's a great idea to use modern technology to get to "spend" more time with your children.

However, my personal view is if you do not trust your helper enough not to install cameras, there is something seriously wrong with the employer employee relationship that needs to be worked out, and installing a camera would not do that. Afterall, if you see something not very serious but you do not like, do you confront your helper on it? We all know how many little things can make it seem like a big thing, in that scenario, I think it may worsen the situation/relationship.

I guess many will say installing cameras will kill 2 birds with 1 stone, you can to see your children as well as see what the helper is up to. The result is the same, but if you are doing so cos you do not trust your helper but do not want to fire her, the thing to do would be try to sort things out with her and not rely on the threat of a camera.
 
Aussiegal, No, I don't think its ok for the helper to suck on her finger and then put it in my child's mouth. I think you are confusing 2 issues- of helpers' taking short cuts vs their cultural and educational backgrounds. I don't condone any helper taking shortcuts if parents have given them xyz instructions.

But for 2nd issue which is what I am taking about ie Indian food, eating with "bare" hands etc.... anyone who thinks that eating cooked food with hands is gross is ignorant- thats my opinion. I am reacting to Little Monster's comments on how using hands in general are yuck which is what I pointed out to you. LM also mentioned a nationality, ie Indonesian and developing world, being uneducated and them eating with their bare hands all in one para which makes me upset. To me, there is an implication that it is the above that leads to our precious little children being mistreated. Is that true or ok, you think?
 
Mmm, interesting result of the poll...how come nobody voted 'Done'(already installed)? Is it because those mommies didn't bother to vote?:flower:
 
Although I'm not a domestic helper, I am a regular babysitter and I would be really offended if I found out they had installed cameras to essentially spy on me.
Even if they warned me beforehand I would definitely stop working with them and this is not because I am worried about what they will see but more a matter of respect and privacy.
I understand it is difficult to trust a stranger with your child, especially when they are too young to let you know if anything is wrong but I don't think spying on your help is the answer if trust and loyalty is your ultimate goal.
 
yes, agree with london2hk - i would hate for my employer to spy on me at my work even tho some people like shops assistants or casino croupiers have cameras on them all day and its not as if i have anything to hide. i guess people could argue that because its their kids involved they want to have the option to see but then would they argue for surveillance cameras in kindies etc.
 
If I worked in retail, I would expect cameras because they are predominantly meant to monitor 'customers' with the 5 finger discount!
BUT if I worked in an office and there were cameras, well that would be different in my opinion.

slamdunk said:
yes, agree with london2hk - i would hate for my employer to spy on me at my work even tho some people like shops assistants or casino croupiers have cameras on them all day and its not as if i have anything to hide. i guess people could argue that because its their kids involved they want to have the option to see but then would they argue for surveillance cameras in kindies etc.
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