When can a kid go to bathroom himself?

Biggie

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How old is your kid when he/she can go to bathroom himself, especially outside, like restaurants, mall etc?
My 3+ yr old boy can go himself at home with little help pulling pants up nicely. I take him to ladies room with me now. But when will he be too old to go to ladies room? And then what do you do when you are out with your opposite sex kid - leave them outside to wait if you have to go? Seems dangerous!
Same for swimming pool locker rooms?
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Well, I still take my 4 yr old and 6 yr old boys into the ladies' toilets with me if we are in a shopping mall/restaurant. Likewise, for the swimming pool changing rooms. If anyone objected, I would ask for family changing facilities. I don't think you can expect a 6-yr-old to go into the men's changing rooms by himself. It's just not safe.

I don't know what age I will stop taking them with me. Perhaps 8-yrs-old when they become more body-aware and find naked ladies embarrassing/objects of curiosity. Right now, they don't blink an eye at naked women, but we are quite open at home.
 
A kid can go when he is ready to go. Only he and you can know that as it very much depends on the maturity and comfort level of the child.
I have a 10 year old who is very uncomfortable going still while my other one was going starting at age 4.

There is nothing particularly dangerous about a 3 or 6 or 9 year old using a bathroom or changing room; please don't spread paranoia.

A recent relevant post with many opinions:
http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/bathroom-busybodies-kindly-concern-or-mass-psychosis/
 
How did I know that Howard Coombs would have a contrary opinion on this?

And yes, there is a danger for small boys in men's bathrooms. Of course there is! They are alone and vulnerable.

The likelihood of anything happening is, I agree, extremely slim. But why take a risk if you don't have to?
 
How did I know that Howard Coombs would have a contrary opinion on this?
It must be because you know me and my opinions well. I just cannot resist chiming in when there is a ridiculous theory being put forward.
And yes, there is a danger for small boys in men's bathrooms. Of course there is! They are alone and vulnerable.
Ok, I'll play along. At what wonderful age does this danger magically and instantaneously disappear?
The likelihood of anything happening is, I agree, extremely slim. But why take a risk if you don't have to?
Because its better to prepare kids for real life instead of coddling them forever. Teach them real life skills when they are ready and let them experience life.

BTW: Even at age 49 there will be a risk of going in there, slipping and hitting your head and dying all alone from a nasty concussion. So what age do we allow our precious ones to go into a bathroom alone?
 
My son is nearly 5 and I take him with me to the ladies bathroom. It just happened one time that he went alone in the men's room as the queue for the ladies was too long (as usual !) but when i opened the door the toilet cleaner told me we would take care of him, and he did. If the guy was not there, I would have accompanied my son without any second thought !
 
Oh, please, Howard. Stop the nonsense. I'm not talking about slipping and hitting your head.

My 6-year-old is small, skinny and light. Very un-street-smart still (though we're working on that). His chance of defending himself against a molester is much less than a bigger-built (say) 8-year-old who might know to scream blue murder, give the offender a kick in the shins and dash for the door. Of course I can't set an age where the danger "magically and instantaneously disappears". It never does. But I know that my little boy is in no position to recognize an uncomfortable - or worse - dangerous situation, let alone extricate himself from it. So, until then, I'll keep taking him with me to the ladies bathroom/changing room. And I'll keep trying to teach him about what to do if a stranger/teacher/relative/friend touches him in a way that is inappropriate. But right now, the concept of 'danger' is a new one to him and he is not ready to deal with such situations.

From Biggie's post I get the impression she does not feel comfortable leaving her 3-yr-old alone outside a bathroom (or sending him alone into a public bathroom). I'm trying to reassure her that it's perfectly acceptable to keep taking a 3/4/5/6+ yr-old with her.

Please stop being so combative, Howard. It's really not needed on this forum. There is a way to express contrary opinions without trying to make anyone who thinks differently than you feel foolish.
 
My 6-year-old is small, skinny and light. Very un-street-smart still (though we're working on that).
You as a parent have decided that your child is not ready. Fantastic and perfectly fine.

There is absolutely no need to invent any other excuse to justify your actions. Why not stop there, why do you feel the need to invent improbable scenarios to justify your parental decisions?

His chance of defending himself against a molester....
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Where did this molester come from? Have you heard about the molesters at changing rooms, malls, restaurants in Hong Kong? Why make up such stuff in your head which then naturally affect those around you too. We live in a safe world. The chance of encountering a molester inside a public bathroom is slim to none. Your child has a much bigger chance of getting molested at home or in one of your relatives homes than at a public bathroom. Stop inventing dangers please.

From Biggie's post I get the impression she does not feel comfortable leaving her 3-yr-old alone outside a bathroom (or sending him alone into a public bathroom). I'm trying to reassure her that it's perfectly acceptable to keep taking a 3/4/5/6+ yr-old with her.
And as I've indicated, I've got a 10 year old and its perfectly acceptable to keep taking a teenager too; they'll be ready when they are ready. That has nothing to do with molesters, kidnappers or any such nonsense.

Please stop being so combative, Howard.
Lets make a deal. Lets stop stop inventing dangers and I wont come along and state my contrary opinion.
It's really not needed on this forum. There is a way to express contrary opinions without trying to make anyone who thinks differently than you feel foolish.
I apologise to anyone who I have made to feel foolish, it is not my intent. My intent is to stomp out irrational fears that are prevalent in many parents heads and hopefully get them to think a bit differently about the world around us.
 
howard, while i agree with many of your sentiments, they way you express them is not acceptable in the functioning of this forum. this is not geoexpat, where people get off posting condescending and combative comments.

this forum, is usually a calm, supportive place for parents & mothers in particular to post.

in this instance:

no one believes that there is a child molester lurking around every corner, but to deny that they exist is plain foolish, in my opinion. i was physically molested as a young child by a male babysitter (he came to our church and was in the choir... how was my mum to know?) and also accosted at a playground when a young child when i was playing on the monkey bars with my younger brother.

thankfully, my mother had taught me well how to get away from the latter. sadly, that didn't work for the former.

what mothers are concerned about are the 'what-ifs?' i think EVERY mother shares the same concerns and to diminish them by saying "where did the molester come from?" and that we are inventing the possible scenarios... YES, we ARE inventing the possible scenarios! just the same as when you tell young kids not to play at the top of the stairs, they might fall down.... just the same as when you require your child to wear a helmet when riding a bike... just like when you tell your kid to eat slower or to take smaller bites, so they don't choke!

that's part of being a parent... foreseeing where problems MAY arise and then trying to teach your child how to deal with them...

dealing with my own kids: depends on the public toilets in question. at one of our favourite restaurants, they go on their own. at the airport, i usually take them both in with me... but that's because i'm more concerned with leaving one outside while i take the other one in.

my 7 year old son goes more often by himself. my 5 year old daughter goes by herself sometimes... depends on the situation.
 
howard, while i agree with many of your sentiments, they way you express them is not acceptable in the functioning of this forum. this is not geoexpat, where people get off posting condescending and combative comments.
this forum, is usually a calm, supportive place for parents & mothers in particular to post.
I'm well aware of where I'm writing and I'm sure you'll agree that my writing here is a lot more subdued than there. Having said that, I'm not about to sugarcoat my opinions in case it ruffles a few feathers.

in this instance:
no one believes that there is a child molester lurking around every corner, but to deny that they exist is plain foolish, in my opinion.
I don't deny molesters are around and as I've pointed out(this is proven by statistics), the chances of getting molested are a lot higher at home than in a public bathroom. Unfortunately there are plenty of people that think of that possibility first as has been demonstrated in this thread by a couple of people. The danger, especially in an open forum, is that such thoughts feed upon themselves and cause needless worry and fear to be spread around.

This gets demonstrated on a regular basis; most recently with the mainlander kidnapping nonsense that was going around.

what mothers are concerned about are the 'what-ifs?' i think EVERY mother shares the same concerns and to diminish them by saying "where did the molester come from?" and that we are inventing the possible scenarios... YES, we ARE inventing the possible scenarios! just the same as when you tell young kids not to play at the top of the stairs, they might fall down.... just the same as when you require your child to wear a helmet when riding a bike... just like when you tell your kid to eat slower or to take smaller bites, so they don't choke!
Fathers have similar if not the same concerns; we should still take the time to evaluate possibilities and dangers rationally before letting them affect our daily lives.

Different scenarios have different levels of likelihood; this can be shown scientifically and also with common sense.
When I happen to encounter parents that have taken their inventiveness to irrational levels, I cannot help but to bring them down to earth with some logic and common sense.
 
i just want to know that there are other moms who take their older boys in the ladies room. I recently saw one of the rules (I guess no one but me read them) of locker room of a club is that kids over 4 Yr has to go to their own gender locker room, which started me thinking.
I don't think my boy can go to the men's room, shower and change all by himself! but then again, I don't think anyone would complain if I bring him to ladies room
 
4 years old? that's ridiculous. most 4 year olds can't be left in a locker room without supervision! i know i wouldn't let my kids at the age of 4 go to the locker room on their own.
 
I swear to god, if my 6-year-old was in a public bathroom with Howard Coombs, I hope he would scream blue murder, kick him in the shins and run out, yelling: "There's a pompous old guy in the bathroom, quoting everyone's words back at them, mostly out of context! And even though he's boring everyone to death, he's in his own little world of smugness and thinks he's right all the bloody time!"

I would say, "You did the right thing, son. But next time aim higher."
 
Good to know you have some interesting aspirations but I would hope that he would be a bit more sensible and logical as running in public bathrooms, which usually have wet floors, is never a good idea..

Kicking pompous big guys can also have negative consequences but usually they wont touch a 6 year old; I'd be more worried about running on wet floors than anything else :rolling:
 
I don't know why, I just found this whole thread really humorous.

Teaching your child to scream loudly "I DON'T KNOW THIS PERSON!!!" in public when inappropriately touched or grabbed by strangers is a good lesson to teach. My mother taught me this at a very young age. I suppose when you feel confident that your child can carry this out, I'd feel comfortable about letting them go the bathroom in public alone. Maybe that's just me.
 
Just thinking aloud but maybe the reason public bathrooms might be of more concern with regard to molestation than other places is because it is a place where it is appropriate to engage with one's private parts, there might be older men helping young boys in the process and for a kid alone, there might be a lot of grey areas which might be difficult to understand. For example, if an older person offers to help a kid with his zip, and there are others doing the same, a kid who is not used to refusing adults might think it's okay. While in a park it would be very obviously inappropriate even to a kid.

So while the likelihood of this happening is less in Hong Kong in general, a bathroom by virtue of being a bathroom might make it more likely than say a park. I am aware that statistically both are less likely than one's own home.
 
I don't know why, I just found this whole thread really humorous.

Teaching your child to scream loudly "I DON'T KNOW THIS PERSON!!!" in public when inappropriately touched or grabbed by strangers is a good lesson to teach. My mother taught me this at a very young age. I suppose when you feel confident that your child can carry this out, I'd feel comfortable about letting them go the bathroom in public alone. Maybe that's just me.

funny true story:

when i was 11 my aunt had twins (fraternal boy/girl). i used to go to visit them every summer and help out with the kids. when the kids were about 3-4 years old, they would watch a tv show with me called THE FACTS OF LIFE. in it there was a tom-boy, motorcycle driving character named Jo (short for Joanne, i think)... anyway, my male cousin LOVED this character!

so, one day, i took my cousins to the shopping centre. while there, said cousin desperately needed to go to the toilet. i dutifully took him into the women's restroom. but once inside, he wouldn't go into the stall... i would say, "come on, XY. Come in here so you can go wee!"....."no, my name is not XY... it's JO! stop calling me XY!" "get in here, XY... come on, you will go wee in your pants!" " I'm JO! I'm JO! I'm JO!"

i'm sure people thought i was doing something horrible to him! perhaps even kidnapped him... funny story now, but at the time i was truly frightened someone would call the cops because i had kidnapped a kid named JO and was trying to do stuff in the public bathroom!....
 
His chance of defending himself against a molester is much less than a bigger-built (say) 8-year-old who might know to scream blue murder, give the offender a kick in the shins and dash for the door. (...) But I know that my little boy is in no position to recognize an uncomfortable - or worse - dangerous situation, let alone extricate himself from it. And I'll keep trying to teach him about what to do if a stranger/teacher/relative/friend touches him in a way that is inappropriate. But right now, the concept of 'danger' is a new one to him and he is not ready to deal with such situations.

have you seen the show world's worst mom? above kind of reminds me...

here's another link for your health: freerangekids.wordpress.com
 
I'm sorry Matemate... I seem to be missing your point. Are you suggesting I'm the "world's worst mom"? Would you like to explain yourself further?
 
no, that's not what i am suggesting, but have a look at the show (NowTV channel 214, i think) and you will see that they talk exactly about cases like you describe (the title of the show is just to make it sound dramatic and to attract viewers)
 
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