To IB or not to IB, that is the question!

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MaiYe

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i'm frustrating whether to put my daughter into a 'traditional school' vs 'IB' school. I would like to train up my girl to be an international leader...having a global civic perspective, being able to think and express freely in Putonghua and English. Aside having good academic standard and all rounded development in music, art & sports. and if possible having a good mix of culture in her learning environment. any suggestion of school pls?

desparate maiye
 
I suppose every parent wants the best for their children. The thing is, you have to consider your child's abilities and interests too. A lot of the more 'local' schools now offer IB so you may want to look into that. If you want her to thrive in PTH and have a solid understanding of the Chinese language, I'd go local.
 
I think you have to look at your child and her learning style to help you make a decision. IB is not for every child. If you do choose to go IB make sure you monitor how your child is progressing in this setting. It sounds like what you want for your child fits with the IB philosophy of education but definitely visit the different schools because IB does not mean every school that runs the programme is the same. Ask what curriculum they use and what sorts of assessments they use.
 
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that as far as I know the most bilingual of the IB schools are Kingston International School and Victoria International school. Chinese International School does not have the Primary Years Programme but start IB in the Middle years and offer the diploma programme.
 
Try Po Leung Kuk Choi Ka Yau School. They are pretty new but the curriculum is quite like what you mention.

www.cky.edu.hk

many parents are attracted by their curriculum. They run open days too. Try to go to one of them and see if you like them.
 
The IB is great. and every school accredited as an IB school DOES run the same 'curriculum' - espeicially in the Diploma years. Teaching approaches may vary, but the educational outcomes are proscribed by the IB board in Geneva.

I get really tired of hearing 'the IB isn't for eveyone.' It seems to come particualrly from parents who resent that the A levels are not so available in HK anymore. Even a mid-range IB score is more valuable in terms of uni application than three As at A-level - because the A levels are quantifiably easier every year.

The IB offers a much more broad education than the A levels, and doesn not restrict uni choices so much. It is a different style of learning, but one much more based on individual critical inquiry than on spoonfed facts and figures.
 
Ummm actually all IB programmes do not run the same curriculum. The IB provides a framework and a philosophyand schools use their own curriculum which is why ESF uses the British National Curriculum, Canadian uses the Ontario Curriculum etc. At least this is true for the PYP programme.

As for IB not being for all students as a teacher in an IB school I too love the IB programme which is why I have been teaching in an IB school for six years but I have seen some students that do need other options. I have also met parents that in the end really do no like the IB programme.
 
arleneli said:
Try Po Leung Kuk Choi Ka Yau School. They are pretty new but the curriculum is quite like what you mention.

www.cky.edu.hk

many parents are attracted by their curriculum. They run open days too. Try to go to one of them and see if you like them.
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I am interested in this school too. Good training in both Chinese and English. However, I am hestiated by the high school fee (HKD 50000)
 
MaiYe said:
i'm frustrating whether to put my daughter into a 'traditional school' vs 'IB' school. I would like to train up my girl to be an international leader...having a global civic perspective, being able to think and express freely in Putonghua and English. Aside having good academic standard and all rounded development in music, art & sports. and if possible having a good mix of culture in her learning environment. any suggestion of school pls?

desparate maiye
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Check out ISF http://www.isf.edu.hk/eng/, it is a new school and they claim that they teach children not only two languages but also go way beyond that.
 
ESF Primaries used the British National Curriculum before transferring to the IB PYP program.
The only reason ESF Secondary schools are not 'full' IB schools is that they continue to offer the GCSE syllabus in place of the MYP program.

Give IB another couple of rounds in HK, and you'll stop hearing all this nonsense from parents about how IB is 'not for their kid'. THe OB offers not only the full diploma program, but a range of other options to students who, for one reason or another, don;t cope.

If the school isn't providing the options, then it is the fault fo the school, NOT the IB.
 
Well I'm one parent who thinks IB is not for everyone. It definitely wasn't for my elder son. He is now about to take his A levels in double maths and physics. He hates English and Mandarin and was very happy to leave them behind after his GCSEs. He loves studying mathematics and already has one A at A level and is likely to get a second in the further maths. There is no way that the IB can compete for him.

At A level he is studying maths for two thirds of his time and if he were studying IB it would only be one sixth. I realize he is a special case as not many people wish to study pure mathematics at a British university but this is what he wants.

I believe that he might be able to get into university to study maths with the IB but the questions I have are:
* Could he get as good results in IB as in A levels - unlikely as he'd have to study subjects he hates?
* Would he cope in his first year at university when almost everyone else has studied further maths at A level?

No one who is pro IB has answered these two questions to my satisfaction yet.

Having said that my second son is wanting to take IB. He is much less sure of what he wants to study. But I'd like him to have the option of A levels if we (joint decision) thought it would be best - this seems not to be the case in Hong Kong anymore. My elder son had to go to boarding school in England to get want he wanted as it wasn't an option for him here.
 
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IB results are treated much 'higher' than A level results at most Western/European universities. Oxford and Cam bridge are quite blunt about it.

A levels are a joke. The HK A levels are much more difficult. As for IB Maths - it's not my subject area, but your best bet would be to ask a teacher who has taught bot systems. I know that for my subject areas, the IB offers the same academic depth as the A levels, but is much more streamlined. The emphasis on how and why we learn is a great learning tool in tiself.

As for a child 'hating' a subject - each to his own. But the failure ti study one's own native language to matriculation is probably one factor in the overwhelming illiteracy amongt university students. Even maths students have to complete project and research based work - hard to do if your writing skills are rudimentary.
 
thanks all for your valuable sharing.

can anyone share with me whether or not an 'IB' graduate student gets into top universites easier for some reasons?

i'm considering Victoria Shanghai Academy yet their history is short and it's kind of difficult to judge whether or not their faculty and curriculum is mature yet. Any sharing on Victoria?

desparate maiye
 
Have a look at the previous 'cut off ' scores for university entrance in the UK and Australia - IB scores rank above the A levels/CVE/HSC in terms of pure % achievement.
 
Just going out of the way here, but really want to know:

At what age do babies go to pre- school here?
How long before the baby starts going to pre- school does one need to get admission done here in HK?
Whats the process for admission?
And lastly how do grades progress here in the schools?
 
geomum, the answers to all your questions depends on the curriculum/system you choose. 'Local' schools have K1 K2 and K3 starting around 3. Then P1-6, the F1-7. (I think!). This is usually also the case with the DSS (Direct Subsidy Schools) schools.

ESF - children usually have K1 and K2, starting the calender year they turn 3. Then P1-6 and Y7-13.

Australian Internation runs P1-6, and Y7-12, but I am unsure of their exact age/year dates.

HKIS/Canadian - start a bit later, I think (??)

Other International schools (such as Kellett and GSIS) have different starting ages, and different numbers of school years. You are nest to check with the schools you are interested in.

The first questions hsould probably be which system you want your child to matriculate in - local HKCE, A levels, IB, US style liberal arts, French diploma etc etc and work backwards from there as to which schools are appropriate.....and start saving!!
 
Actually, Chinese International have been offering the IB for years and years, as have United World College in Ma on Shan, the Australian International School in Kowloon Tong, and several other international and 'local' schools.

It is, however, new to the ESF. Given this school network's high profile, it is inevitable the their discussion of the 'new' IB diploma has led some to think that it is new to HK.
 
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