To Full Time Working Mums - need advice pls!!

terry

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I am considering going back to work shortly, full time and more often than not away out of town. My husband too works full time, often away for 1-2 nights a couple of times a month. I would love to hear from those mum's that also work full time, plus perhaps go away for business and how they handle it with a baby?? I have an 8 month old and still have to find a helper - any advice please!! How do you handle the guilt? What do you ask of your helper, aside from the obvious - look after my precious child please!
Any advice on what to look for when hiring our helper - (am getting the Julie Jacobson (sp?) book for help too), what to ask her, what to expect?
Does your child go to your helper more than you when you are home? Sorry these may sound like silly questions but it's eating away at me....

Any advice/help would be most appreciated, Thanks.
 
Hi Terry, full-time mom here and boy, the ups and downs i have. sat morning, just 10 minutes ago, she just won't be put down by me for her nap, coz the helper usually does it in the morning. as much as i understand that this is routine for her, i was close to tears. i put her down at night every night, so she's ok around those times.
sometimes we're perfectly ok, i try to spending every minute i'm home with her, doing things that the helper usually does when i'm away, feeding, bathing. but it gets tougher as she gets older. she knows when she wants to be with whom.
i think for me, it's less of guilt but more of a 'want', i'd like to be closer to my child, i want to be the first person she runs to, and it's just very difficult to ask for that when i'm away for 10 hours everyday. i'm ok sometimes if i don't think about it too much and just try to treasure the time i spent with her. hubby always say it's the quality not the quantity of time, but that just doesn't cut it for me sometimes.
about travel, i don't do it THAT much, but i'm up for a first week long work trip away in two weeks, so i still need to see how that goes. there will be some adjusting, i think much more on my part than the baby's.
for helper advice - i have one that i'm very happy with, who's very willing to play with her, she did not have experience with kids before, (we had one who has but was fired, another long story) but this one really turns out ok, i want my child to able to laugh with the helper. it's also a very personal connection thing, i got crazy jealous of my previous helper, but not with this one. so i think you have to connect that way as well.
i'm sorry this is way too long, but we had a working mom group that meets up on weekends sometimes. i'd love to share thoughts, coz i think this working full-time thing will only get harder as she gets older.
 
Flexibility

Dear Terry, If yuo love your family you have to be flexible on your life.Work if you have to coz its an extra income for the family & erase the guilt feeling u have.LOVE is all there should be in your heart.U need a full time baby sitter & tell her to treat ur kid as a family but always to remind the child that u love her & will always be coming home quickly for her.Tell ur helper to always tell stories about you & your LOVE for your child.I hope this will lessen your guilt feeling. ZITA
 
Hi Terry,

I am in Kellyst's working mother group but recently have quitted my job to be a full time mum to my one year old.

Like what Zita says, the extra income from working is indeed attractive and also can keep you connected to the society, reasons why I had stayed on with my job till 2 months ago..

But I was constantly tired cos I rushed back from work everyday to bathe her, feed her and put her to bed...We tried to bring her out on weekends but most of the time this is an uphill task cos hubby and myself will be so tired to do anything except to play with her at home.

Baby is already lacking a father figure cos hubby travels 3-4 times a month with duration of 2-10 days each stretch. He goes to work before she wakes up and reaches home after she sleeps.

I feel that since she is not seeing much of the father, then I, being the mother will just have to do extra... but my hands are tied if I continue working full time.

Hence the decision to stay at home to be with her

Hope to be able to meet up with you soon together with Kellyst [and our babes.

arwen
 
Hi,

I've worked full-time outside the house except during my 10 week maternity leaves. However, my work situation sounds different from yours. I have regular hours, usually not more than 8.5 hours per day, and the work is not very high pressure.

Weare also lucky that both my husband and I usually have 5-day work weeks.

The way I handle it....

I try to give good and loving attention to my kids, even when I am tired. I have had reliable helpers. My husband fills in for me when I can't do some things, as I do for him.

re: helper

Hire someone who has good common sense and good education. Either a woman who has had some college, or a very bright high school graduate, who is interested in reading.

Our first helper had been a primary school teacher in the Philippines for many years and her own children were in their teens and early twenties when she started with us.

Our second had only finished high school, but loved to read and was interested in learning more about child development and reading recipe books and trying new things.

Have good communication and VERY clear expectations. For example, some people think a good way to discipline a child is to say "If you don't listen I'll have the policeman arrest you" or something along those lines. I am very much against that, and told my helpers that this is something that was unacceptable. I told them never to threaten anything they couldn't or wouldn't do; but also if they make a threat or condition "we will not play outside until you have tidied your blocks away" then Do it.

For babies, this is less of an issue, but if your baby is 8 months now, by the end of your helper's first contract he or she will be almost three.

Remember that your helper is the helper. You and your husband are the PARENTS. Even when I was often tired from my day's work, I would give the kids their bath and read them their stories and put them to bed. On many mornings I would make them their breakfast (toast & soy milk - very easy).

When they were small babies, I would sleep with them or my husband would. The excption was Friday nights when we would have the helper look after them if they cried in their sleep or woke up early, so we could have 1 good nights rest per week.

When they cried in the night, I would go to them, even if I had to get up the next morning and go to work. When they were sick, I took them to the doctor (found one who had hours in the evening).

Of course when a child gets older, he or she will try to play you and the helper off each other. Do not take it to heart - children will do the same thing if their granny or an auntie lives with you.

Sometimes my husband used to complain about all the work we did w/ the kids. Why not have the helper feed them dinner, wash them, and put them to bed and let us rest in the evening? I felt very strongly (and still do) that if we were there, we should look after the kids.

The gratification is often small and slow. But now that my kids are in primary school and bathe themselves and often go to bed reading their own books after a kiss and cuddle from mama and baba, I think it was worth it. The closeness we cultivated when they were babies and toddlers remains.



terry said:
I am considering going back to work shortly, full time and more often than not away out of town. My husband too works full time, often away for 1-2 nights a couple of times a month. I would love to hear from those mum's that also work full time, plus perhaps go away for business and how they handle it with a baby?? I have an 8 month old and still have to find a helper - any advice please!! How do you handle the guilt? What do you ask of your helper, aside from the obvious - look after my precious child please!
Any advice on what to look for when hiring our helper - (am getting the Julie Jacobson (sp?) book for help too), what to ask her, what to expect?
Does your child go to your helper more than you when you are home? Sorry these may sound like silly questions but it's eating away at me....

Any advice/help would be most appreciated, Thanks.
 
hi Terry,

I am a full time mum of a 17 month old toddler with a full time helper, before my son came along, I was climbing the ladder fast in investment banking. It all sounds hugely confusing the choices we have to make in life but to hopefully this will make the decision easier for you (even if you do manage to hire an excellent/responsible/reliable helper who loves your child) - we can't have it ALL , as my mum use to say, you cant have your cake and eat it too - ie. have a fast track fulfilling career (and the money that comes with it), have a wonderful supportive marriage AND be the best mum that we can be, despite what equal opportunity feminists will tell you....not because we don't have the good intention to be, but because it's just not humanly physically possible....so you have to make the choice (dont' get me wrong, there are households out there that do need dual incomes to survive, but I am not talking about those situations).....all choices come with it's pros and cons, there is no win-win situation, just hopefully a decision that supports what you and your husband principly believe in as a couple/family.

For my husband and I, we made the decision that our offsprings were too precious to be brought up by a stranger, no matter how much we trust her or how well trained she was and given my strong maternal instincts, I made the choice to be a stay at home mum and I have NO regrets, no matter how bad some of the days/weeks can be....even though this means I can never go back to a career in investment banking, or afford some of the "nicer" things that my dual incomes friends can have (new cars every 3 years, posh large apt, more club memberships, weekly shopping sprees), am physically exhausted ALL the time and have no down time......I can say however, I know every new development my son has on an hourly basis (they really grow before your very eyes), what he does when he's angry/sad/being a brat/happy, it would break my heart to have to hear it from a stranger at the end of the day, or have him call our for our helper instead of me when he's upset.....

good luck with your decision, it isn't an easy one.....
 
I am a stay at home mom of many (6) and I have just hired a helper who is now in the phillipines getting her visa approved. While I was in the process of filing paperwork etc I met her sisterinlaw who i have actually goten to be friends with. She would make a wonderful helper to someone who wants someone to love their baby. She has an employer right now but is being employed mainly as a housekeeper and her heart is really in childcare. So if you 're(or anyone else is) interested in her pm or call me. She would have to go back to the phil. for 4 weeks to process her visa but she would be worth the wait. 9225-1661
 
I am also going thru the same thing. I just returned to full-time work 2 weeks ago and finding it to be an adjustment. I took an extra 12 weeks of unpaid leave as there was no way that I could have gone back to work after only 10 weeks of mat leave. I have about an hour with my baby every morning and evening - I rush home from work every evening as my baby goes to bed at 7 p.m. - and spend every moment I can with her on the weekends. However, I'm wondering - is this enough? We'll see how it goes. Always a hard thing to balance the extra income/career vs spending time with your baby and seeing her grow.

Will these issues ever be resolved? Probably not. But I did read a great article recently by Po Bronson (I think it was on Time.com) that stated that a poll showed that the amount of quality time a stay-at-home mom vs a working mom spent with their children only differed by 45 min or so! So, us working moms should not beat ourselves up - as long as the time that we spend with our kids are as the other writers have stated - loving and attention-filled, it should not matter
 
Hi, I am a full-time working mother of a 2.6 year-old boy. My job requires extensive traveling having the international market as my responsibility. Six months after giving birth, I've had to continue traveling (up to this day). So most of the time, aside from my husband, my helper would take care of him. I too had problems with my son being close to the helper but I had to dismiss that feeling because my helper was doing a good job taking care of him. Those times when I didn't travel, I had to teach both my son and train the helper even more. I made sure that the upbringing of my son takes after mine --- not my helper's upbringing. I'm not saying hers is not good though. Now that my son is 2.6 years old, he knows who his mommy is and who the helper is. He treats the helper as "family" but very well knows who his parents are. When I arrive home, it's Mommy, not helper. I guess you just have to trust your helper and treat her like family so she gives her best as well. Get someone from the Philippines because they are good-natured and speak good English.
 
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hi there,

sorry to be the devil's advocate, but if you believe the choice you've made is a good one (to work)in your situation, why do you need constant reassurrence from an external source that you've made the right decision? (btw. one should be weary of relying too heavily on unscientific articles, that is opinion based articles, quoting unsubstanciated statistics with no proper reference to source)

I really don't think there is a "right" decision, it depends on what you and your hubby believe is in the best interest of the family - each decision comes with it's pros and cons, there isn't, or shouldn't be, a "war" as the article suggests!!!!!!!!
 
To all working moms,

I would like to share with you my dilema. My baby is 15 months old. I went straight back to work after the 10 wks' maternity leave. Since then, my life has been centered upon my daughter, everyday after work, I would try to spend as much time with her as possible, reading books with her, feeding her, playing with her etc. She has always been very close to me, as I am, to her. When I come home, she will run to me, away from the helper.

For the past two days, I have noticed that my baby has grown really close to my helper. My baby started to call my helper "MAMA", my helper did not correct her, neither did I (for I haven't yet figured out how or whether I should react to that) . She would not let me hold her and kept crying until she was attended to by my helper. I was devasted and broke down in tears.

I am now second guessing whether I am making the right decision of remianing to be a working mom. I thought I have managed to juggle between work and family pretty well , and it was for the long term interest of the family that I continue to maintain a career so that she may be well provided for. But seeimgly I could be wrong. Can others please advise me whether this is just a phase that many working moms have gone through. My hubby comforted me and said babies are very primitive, whoever takes care of that baby is a motherly figure to him/her, it does not mean she prefers one "mom" over another, in time, she will know that there is only one mom, and that is me.
 
Hi Joyce,

In my experience, this is just a phase. I too felt the same way when my son was your child's age. Both my helper and I would correct my son when he would call my helper "Mommy". He would also be comfortable only when the helper picks him up. Sometimes he would call for the helper even when I'm around. That really crushed me. Then I realized that it wasn't that bad at all because now at 2 and a half years, my son clearly disinguishes his mom from the helper.

Just make sure that you spend quality time with your child as soon as you're home. Also, make sure that the helper corrects your child whenever he makes this mistake.
 
To be a working mum or a stay-at-home mum could be a big dilemma to many, but it will be a relatively easy decision to make if you believe:

- the early years is the most critical period of the child's life, in the sense that he/she is extremely receptive to input, and thus the main caretaker has a crucially influential role to play in facilitating his/her language and cognitive development, as well as shaping his/her personality and behaviour;

- this window to developing the amazingly huge potential of the child opens only for a limited period of time: once it is closed the situation is irreversible!

- your career can wait (but the child can't) or new opportunities could arise when time is ripe (perhaps when the child starts full-day schooling);

And of course the basic assumption is that finance is not a problem and the husband supports the decision.

Linda
 
There is no substitute for a mother. Not a even grandmother or auntie, let alone a helper.

I went part time in Feb 2006, when my son was 2.5 yo.

I used to spend "quality" time with him. I was forever tired. I used to work 10 to 12 hr days. He definitely knew I was mom and helper (who absolutely loved him and took v good care of him) was helper.

But ... he needs a mother. Proper parenting. Bonding with mother. Learn by example.

He has developed so much, socially, healthwise, language, logic etc in the last 5 months even the caretaker commented on it. The teacher was absolutely amazed.

A child needs someone there to answer his questions, his curiosity, to teach him values (not just reading books) and appropriate discipline.

Quality time is not good enough for a young child. You need to be there when it happens to tell him your views, your values, you cannot do it afterwards after the helper reported the day's happenings.

If I have to do it all over again, I would have gone part time when my son was 6 mths old.

Rgds

e
 
Joyce,

re: "Mama" - speak to your helper and ask your helper to teach your daughter to call her "Auntie" or "Yiyi" or JieJie, or something like that.

re: worrying about baby coming to love the helper.
This is normal -that you worry about it and that the baby loves the helper. It would be far more worrisome if she did not love the helper. It shows she's in good hands while you're away.

Love is not a zero-sum game. It's not as though your baby has only X amount of love and if she gives 1/2 of X to your helper, you and your husband have to divide the left-over love between you. :)

My kids loved our first helper and that was great. They also loved me and my husband and their grannies, etc.

Instead or worrying, try to focus on having the best time you can w/ your baby and doing what you can with her. Then she knows that her Mama is an important part of her life and that her parents will always be there for her.

I went back to work when both my kids were 10 weeks old and work full-time and we are very close and loving and they know who is mama :)
 
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