Schools guide

soon2bmom

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Dear moms,

my son is only 1 year old, but after browsing thru threads on kindie application and stuff, I am starting to think that maybe I should get my acts together now and do some research. Sure, there is more than enough information on the Internet, but I find it rather disorganized and random. Are there any books that will tell me about the education system in hk, different pathways, how and when to apply to certain schools?

Many thanks

ps: are there any extremely well informed moms/dads who will be willing to give an informal talk on this matter? I am sure there are lots of clueless moms like me who will be more than happy to attend some sort of talk/seminar to learn about it rather than staring at the computer screen until my eyeballs hurt :-)
 
This should be the SCMP Good SChools Guide and it explains a lot of the different HK systems.
Latest Hong Kong, China & World News | SCMP.com

Since we kept our son out of school until he was older (like in the US or, evidentially, the EU), we discovered the issue to be available spots. If the school is small and trying to maintain a decent teacher:student ratio, the issue becomes the kids already in the school from the age of 2 and 8 months. If the class you are trying to get into is already full of kids rising from the prior class, you have to hope somebody decides against continuing in order to open a spot.
And I think you have to visit each school in order to get a feel for it. Even our 3 YO has an opinion and preference on the schools. Which, unfortunately, do not exactly match the opinions of his parents, so we'll have to work on that.
 
soon2bmom & Sedenya, I wish someone had told me to start my research sooner as I was told on September 20th that applications for 2010-2011 Nursery for my 16 month old were closed on September 16th when the applications were only made available on September 1st! In general, it looks like you need to have a pretty good idea at which schools you would like to submit applications at least twelve months in advance of the child's first day of school. Hence, I was too late!

Now, that I've done some belated research, the main factors seem to be as follows:
1. Medium of Instruction - are you looking for English, Cantonese, Mandarin or a combination of the above short-term/long-term?
2. Location - how far are you willing to travel with your child to go to school?
3. Cost - more expensive is not necessarily better, but it does help you decide what your options are; and
4. Timing - what is the birthdate of your child and work from there. Sleuth raised an excellent point about the number of places, which is pretty important. It's generally easiest to get into a school during the first year that they accept students, but that is not the case with all schools.
5. Citizenship - some schools explicitly give preference to children/parents from certain countries. For example, the Canadian International Schools give priority to Canadian citizens, Singapore International School give priority to Singapore citizens, etc.

On age, a pre-school will usually accept a child for Nursery if he is over 2 by September, but some are really strict and will follow the guideline of 2 year + 8 months. After Nursery is Kindergarten 1 for 3+, Kindergarten 2 for 4+ and Kindergarten 3 for 5+.

This website lists all the kindergartens in Hong Kong. It may give you some options that you may not have considered before:
????? Kindergartens Profile

OK, for example, these are the considerations that we took into account for my son, currently age 18 months:
1. Medium of instruction - prefer 50/50 Mandarin & English long-term, indifferent between traditional or simplified Chinese characters, exposure to Cantonese optional;
2. 15-45 minutes door-to-door;
3. Indifferent between public or private;
4. DOB May 2008
5. Singapore and US citizenship

Given the medium of instruction preferences, we were considering only a small number of public and private schools - KCS, SIS, CIS, & ISF. From there, we knew we would have easier entry to SIS because of his citizenship. SIS' first year of entry is PY1, which corresponds with Kindergarten 2. Therefore, we were looking for a suitable pre-school for the nursery and kindergarten 1 years only. We missed the cut-off for KCS' nursery program and may consider reapplying later, but obtained a place at Wisely Kindergarten, which is conducted in Cantonese, English and Mandarin located less than 10 minutes from home on public transport. We've also submitted an application for the Tri-lingual and bilingual (Mandarin/English) program at Victoria Kindergarten. In the meantime, we've just found a local church playgroup conducted twice a week, 1 hour at a time, in Cantonese to help him become more familiar with the language.

My 18 month old hasn't expressed any opinions on his preference on schools yet, but I am relieved that my older son is enjoying SIS. He entered in PY1, which has 4 classes of 20 students each. Had he entered in PY2, the class size would only increase to 22, making only 8 additional places available from PY1. At Primary 1 onwards, the class size is 25, making only 12 additional places available from PY2. After that, a place is only available if another child leaves the school. At PY1, my elder son's interview consisted of a friendly chat with two teachers answering six questions. From what I hear from friends, the entrance requirement for Primary 1, the sit-down examination is over two hours covering English, Chinese and Math!

Hope this helps. It's amazing how quickly time flies, but fortunately, I think you all have started not too late!
 
You are an Angel Yonge!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for taking the time. My son is 13 months now and will be 23 months (under 2) next September 2010, so I guess according to what u wrote I will not be abble to unroll him in a Nursery.????
 
Yonge, thank you so much for the details. And the SCMP guide is a good start. Thanks for all the replies.

Sedenya, we must be in very similar situations. My boy is also 13months now and we are also in TC ( I read your other thread about DMK and Sunshine House). We are looking for an English speaking kindie, too.
 
My daughter is feb born and she will be 2 years 7 months in sept next year. Have been confused for a while that should we send her to nursery in the coming year or should we wait for another year - which i found a little disturbing - to wait for an year just becuase of one month?

I am not very keen on starting her school early, but as i observe her in the playgoup, she enjoys going to school and is very happy to be with other children. So we were thinking to start nursery next year.

Are there any parents with february born children who can share their experiences for admission in Nursery?

thanks

shweta
 
Hi Sweta,

In short, if your child is enjoying the social interactions and can cope with the demands of education at playgroups then I would suggest you should apply for nursery earlier rather than later.

From a theoretical perspective, if you can get your child through or partly through the normalisation period (when a child gets familiar with the classroom settings and the understands the social structure of class and the common class etiquette) then your child can focus more of her energy on the learning. Children who have a tough emotional time getting through the normalisation period (those who cry a lot) would not be able to learn as efficiently as they are emotionally distracted and when they cry they expend a lot of energy and then they get tired because crying is tiring and thus they have less energy to learn!...and let's not forget that learning takes a lot of energy at their age!

You need to ask yourself if your child is independent enough? Can she work on her own? Can she work in groups? Can she follow a schedule? does she have enough stamina?

Children develop at different speeds from one to another so the 2.5Y.O entry to nursery is just a guideline. However, in the practical world of HK, you might want to be quicker than later.

Hope that helps

Babington
 
Yonge, thank you so much for the details. And the SCMP guide is a good start. Thanks for all the replies.

Sedenya, we must be in very similar situations. My boy is also 13months now and we are also in TC ( I read your other thread about DMK and Sunshine House). We are looking for an English speaking kindie, too.
Soon2bmom,

Yes then we are on the same boat. Went to DMK last week, gave them 50$ and still haven't heard from them. The supervisor, Kabeeta, assured me she'd call the following day! Knowing they must be busy, I had waited.... But hmm... no news!

It would have been really convenient but seeing that, I don't feel like pushing. But other options are: Sun Island (don't like it), Sunshine House (don't know much about their Putonghua Classes) and NAAC (ONLY plus point is learning canto and mandarin)!!! So what have you finally decided? Have you found any other EMI Kindie?

Any Clue...now???
 
Sedenya,

hey, that's funny, I also went to DMK last week to check it out, the receptionist just gave me a folder containing some enrolment info and asked me to leave my details since "the director will give you a call". Guess what, no one has called. Big, big, huge turn off for me.

I will try to find time to check out Sunshine House some time this week. Not really keen on Sun Island either, sigh, but maybe I need to keep it on my list since there aren't really too many choices for us in TC.

I just told my husband today that maybe we need to cnsider kindies that are further, since it looks like most good kindies people talk about on forums are either on HK island or Kowloon Tong...... Another big sigh....
 
Some more considerations--be aware costs are the school fee, the miscellaneous fees, plus the possibilty of capital levys and debentures.
Half day versus full day has a big impact on cost, with the half day places usually--but not always--costing about half as much.
The student:teacher ratio needs to also take into account the number of assistants used.
Most, but not all, places provide bus services usually through an independent company at an additional cost.
And you are going to get different answers with regard to homewrok, the amount of foreign language instruction and the student body diversity in the school.
Plus you have to visit these places because not everyone will be a good fit for your child and some can be quickly eliminated.
 
Capital levys/Debentures?

Hi Sleuth,


Can you tell what's the difference between capital levys and debentures?
 
You are an Angel Yonge!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for taking the time. My son is 13 months now and will be 23 months (under 2) next September 2010, so I guess according to what u wrote I will not be abble to unroll him in a Nursery.????


You will probably still be able to start nursery. you would need to arrange it with the school. Tutortime (where my son is at at the moment) lets children join when they reach 2 even if it is in October. And I have heard many schools, local and international, are the same.
 
Hi Sleuth,


Can you tell what's the difference between capital levys and debentures?



Capital Levy is a lump sum that you need to pay either annually or periodically to keep your child at school and you don't get this payment back.

Debenture is like "shares" you need to buy from the school, it is usually non-interesting bearing and when your child leaves school, you get the value of the debenture back.
 
hi lottieclee

My daughter is attending playgrup at tutor time right now and she is 22 moths old, I plan to shift her to nursery when she is two. I like tutortime but have a few reservations - firstly they don't have a schoolbus, so either i go to drop her and pick her up and wait therefor three hours, which is just wastge of time for me, and secodly, their tuition fees for nursery is almost double as compared to other schools of the same standard., do you think its worth that much? Would appreciate your views as i am still confused whether to continue with her nursery here or look for something else.

thanks
 
Capital Levy is a lump sum that you need to pay either annually or periodically to keep your child at school and you don't get this payment back.

Debenture is like "shares" you need to buy from the school, it is usually non-interesting bearing and when your child leaves school, you get the value of the debenture back.

Sorry, but this does not hold in every case. These terms seems to have different meanings at different schools. Even the ESF said their levy was refundable.
 
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