No more naps at 7 weeks...??

stamcel

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Looking for some advice....

My 7 week old son has decided he no longer wants to take naps..or when he does nap it is very brief..20-30 minutes...he is just so tired..I swaddle him, shh....him...feed him...and sometimes rock him to sleep (a habit I do not want to start) - the boy little guy needs to sleep and so do I. I let him cry for no more than 10 minutes...he is so upset after 10 minutes and so am I .....any advice on how to get him to nap.....

He is sleeping ok at night...usually 8pm-1 am...and the back to sleep at 2ish...until 6.

thanks,
C
 
Hi C, my daughter is 9 weeks old. She naps irregularly too, sometimes she doesn't want to sleep, other times when she is eventually tired, I give her a good feed and she sleeps for 2 hours. She typically doesn't cry, so I figure she just wants to be out of the cot and interact with us.

If you think that your bub is tired but can't get to sleep, I would hold him and pat him to sleep, and put him down when he has fallen asleep. That's just me, others will probably not advocate holding the baby :)

If he's crying, perhaps he's hungry?
 
My son was quite about the same when he was little, he would not sleep for more than 30 minutes in the day. Whatever we did to get him into sleep mode, he wouldn't follow, but then he just playing with himself, kicking his leg, looking at the ceiling.....I was quite concerned about his growth, so i consulted his PD, he said as long as he sleeps well at night, everything should be fine. I know its not easy for you having a energetic baby, i think and i hope it'll get better when he's older. Cheers.
 
No advice, but my little one did this from around 4 weeks til 10 weeks. I just think that when he woke up from being a sleepy little newborn that he didn`t know how to put himself to sleep. And I couldn`t. It was a tough time. He would only fall asleep either from breastfeeding or just on me and within minutes of my putting him down in his bed he would wake up. It would be like that all day. Then one day he discovered his fingers and sucked them and that seemed to help sooth him. He started napping after that.
I would have liked to read the Baby Whisperer before I gave birth. It`s got a lot of great advice and insight.
 
Hi Shenzhennifer, on the subject of fingers sucking, my little one is turning out to be a thumb sucker too (actually the entire right fist at the moment).

Do you allow your son to suck his fingers or try to discourage that?
 
Stamcel,

My baby did the same thing when he was about that age too, except that he never wanted to take naps when he was very small. Then after he finally started to take naps, he'd suddenly wake up like clockwork 45 minutes after going down. Like Shenzhennifer said, he didn't know how to put himself (back) to sleep. I was told he would grow out of it so I did what I could in the meantime to survive :) Fed him, let him cry, picked him up and rocked/patted him, hold him for another half to one hour... just so he'd get that sleep. I was tired, but like you I felt he needed his nap because he was very tired. After a while he remembered how to go back to sleep as suddenly as he'd forgotten how to. He always slept well at night like your little guy and I used to feel that perhaps it's a trade-off. But I do think it could be a phase and you could do what you need to for now and he might change his sleep pattern again (babies are always changing!). Btw, IMHO don't think there is any harm rocking him to sleep occasionally as I don't think you can actually get stuck in that habit at that age. And you might not always need to do it.

Obiwan,

I think babies of around this age begin to stuff their hands/fingers into their mouths. It's part of their sensory development - they see something (in this case, their hands because they move in front of their faces and are the most accessible) and want to get to know more about it and so put it in their mouth as a way of exploring it. Pretty soon when he can grab and hold stuff, the first place it will go? Into the mouth! I daresay all babies do it, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
 
Thanks Bumbeeno. I guess it's better the fist than anything she can get her hands on!! :)

When my baby fusses and doesn't want to nap, sometimes i wonder if I should actually be playing/educating (?) her instead of trying to get her to sleep - i.e. eat/sleep and nothing much else in between, not that I think babies at these age can really learn much ... or am I wrong?
 
Hi Shenzhennifer, on the subject of fingers sucking, my little one is turning out to be a thumb sucker too (actually the entire right fist at the moment).

Do you allow your son to suck his fingers or try to discourage that?

You wouldn`t believe how many Chinese people have made a comment, or even tried to take my son`s thumb out of his mouth. It really annoys me. I wonder if they say the same thing to the mothers of the babies who are sucking on pacifiers. Do they try to rip the dummy out of their mouth too?
I never minded it. If it helped him calm down, I even encouraged it. He still does it (at 9.5 months), particularly when he`s uncomfortable, hungry or tired. I don`t mind at all. Ask me in 5 years if he`s still doing it and I might be singing a different tune. But he`s a baby. I let him be one.
 
Thanks Bumbeeno. I guess it's better the fist than anything she can get her hands on!! :)

When my baby fusses and doesn't want to nap, sometimes i wonder if I should actually be playing/educating (?) her instead of trying to get her to sleep - i.e. eat/sleep and nothing much else in between, not that I think babies at these age can really learn much ... or am I wrong?

I used to wonder the same thing when my baby was just hanging around all day not sleeping. But he always seemed to be tired, so I didn`t want to push anything on him.
I think at that young age, just doing nothing is stimulating. Like changing their positions, showing them different things, playing a song. That`s learning, and it`s no effort to do it. I mean, what else is there to do?
Sometimes I wonder how I got through those stages until he was able to move around and amuse himself. It passes. And now sometimes I miss my poor, unmoving helpless little baby~
 
Hi and thank you for your suggestions,

Well today was another almost nap-free day. My little guy did have a short nap during our morning walk. I feed him every 2 1/2 to 3 hours, so I hope he is not hungry. He does not know how to put him self to sleep and I am not sure how to hel him either.
I swaddle him so he is unable to suck his fingers or thumb...he startles himself at night so I need to keep him wrapped up. He is not fond of pacifiers, I have tried 3 different brands and sizes-no go....any advice?

The poor little guy is so exhausted by the end of the day...I need to reread Tracy Hogg's book Baby Whisper as I feel we do not have a 'real' routine, we have been out of the house a lot with visitors and various appointments...i never got around to the EASY routine.

Shenzhennifer, I am not sure how I would react if some tried to take my son's thumb out of his mouth (if he sucked one)...I would be pretty angry...I sucked my thumb until I was 5..and gave it up when I was ready.

Thanks again for your advice,
C
 
Hi Stamcel, not sure if this is the right thing to do ... when I am in your situation, I'll hold my baby in her favourite position (upright against my chest with her head on my shoulder), and pat her, she will usually stop fussing and fall asleep. After that, I will gingerly put her down on her cot :) My girl likes to be swaddled as well.

You mentioned that you have been out of the house a lot with visitors and appointments, do you take your baby with you? I find that when that happens to us (and our baby), she gets really tired and has problem falling asleep, and ends up fussing. She settles down once her 'routine' is back.
 
Well today was another almost nap-free day. My little guy did have a short nap during our morning walk. I feed him every 2 1/2 to 3 hours, so I hope he is not hungry. He does not know how to put him self to sleep and I am not sure how to hel him either.
I swaddle him so he is unable to suck his fingers or thumb...he startles himself at night so I need to keep him wrapped up. He is not fond of pacifiers, I have tried 3 different brands and sizes-no go....any advice?

The poor little guy is so exhausted by the end of the day...I need to reread Tracy Hogg's book Baby Whisper as I feel we do not have a 'real' routine, we have been out of the house a lot with visitors and various appointments...i never got around to the EASY routine.

I totally empathise with you, Stamcel, on those nap-free days. Just as I was replying your thread yesterday (was it only yesterday?), my 16 week old bub decided he wanted to skip naps again! So on the heels of my message to you my baby has decided to 'change' again and I had to practise what I preached ;) He went for hours and hours without a nap yesterday. It was exhausting but it wasn't as draining as it used to be because I guess my stamina and patience have been built up. Also, apart from the fact that your poor little guy is exhausted, it's difficult for you if he is wailing away, leaving you stressed, frustrated and unable to do anything about it (not to mention your own things that need doing have to be on standby... indefinitely!).

On the subject of pacifiers - my little guy didn't want one either. I tried a both the orthodontic and cherry types, on several occasions. The first time he spat it out immediately, subsequently when I tried it he gave me a "You gotta be kidding me!" look and that was it. Some babies just refuse them, no matter what age you start them at. The consolation is that you don't have to wean him off it later.

As someone said, perhaps he is hungry. I used to HATE it when other people said that to me, because I fed him every 2.5-3hours like you and he seemed to be wetting and soiling his nappies sufficiently, so I totally disregarded that as a possible issue until my midwife visited and suggested I feed him for a longer period of time because he did seem to be the right age for a growth spurt (he was 6-7 weeks old then) and perhaps he really IS hungry! Since she was a professional, I tried it. I usually fed him for about 20 good minutes but she suggested I double it, keeping the time between feeds constant and making sure he is really feeding solidly, as he tended to drift off and stop quite frequently. After days of the new routine he suddenly seemed a lot more settled and was able to go down for a couple of naps a day! I don't know if this will work for you but if you are desperate and don't mind trying it out, at worst you'll have more wet nappies and slightly sore boobs.

As to routine, what worked for me was the *idea* of it rather than adhering to one strictly - i.e. it was more a sequence of events that usually is: wake up from nap, feed, waketime (e.g. playing, bath, running errands outside together, sitting on a bouncer while I go about the house), naptime. As long as I stuck to this concept I had an idea of what I was able to do next. Even if naptimes did not exist. As your bub grows older the idea of the routine will solidify into something more substantial, constant and reliable. For my little boy the naptime usually didn't exist so I didn't know what to do with the naptime segment initially, but I found that he could catnap in the baby bjorn when I was out doing stuff, so I just counted that as a nap in the absence of anything else! Sometimes you'd deviate from the routine, but hey, it's meant to help you not enslave you. And being out of the house with visitors and appointments - I understand the need to be out - it gives you a real break. Maybe if you structure your day in advance you'll have a better idea of your routine?
 
I used to wonder the same thing when my baby was just hanging around all day not sleeping. But he always seemed to be tired, so I didn`t want to push anything on him.
I think at that young age, just doing nothing is stimulating. Like changing their positions, showing them different things, playing a song. That`s learning, and it`s no effort to do it. I mean, what else is there to do?
Sometimes I wonder how I got through those stages until he was able to move around and amuse himself. It passes. And now sometimes I miss my poor, unmoving helpless little baby~

Hehe... I so TOTALLY get you there in your last sentence - it made me LOL! My baby is now able to amuse himself somewhat even though he can't even crawl yet - he has been grabbing things and that in itself is a source of entertainment for him. Then I think of those days when he was just lying there curled up... so cute.

Obiwan, I agree with Shenzhennifer - I also felt the same way, I didn't know what to do with my little guy when he was a few weeks old - he didn't seem interested in anything at all! I plonked him under the playgym, he just lay there, curled up. I put him on the bouncer - he cried after 3 seconds. I placed him under the cot mobile, he looked at it blankly... and cried. I did 'tummy time' - he protested vocally. I let him have nappy-free kicks - he sprayed and poo'd everywhere and I spent more time cleaning up than he had without his nappy on. All in all, it was more stressful for me than anything else (possibly because books told me I should be doing this and that with my baby at that age). When I poured out my woes to my husband he said all I really needed to do was to make sure he was fed and had a clean nappy and not to worry about anything else if it was making me stressed. It sure was. I eased up on my self-imposed expectations and it got a lot easier, after which I was quite happy to think about the playtime. You're probably not stressed about it like I was, if you're not, any of the above 'activities' would do quite well if your baby is happy doing it even if not really interested. But don't put too much pressure on yourself to do baby gymnastics!

Shenzhennifer's suggestions are quite right: just doing nothing is stimulating at that age. Learning takes place all the time even when you're just changing their nappy. You can talk to them (Babies also love watching your face when you do so), going thru the steps of the nappy-change, even as you go about the house doing stuff. You can play with their little hands and feet (itsy bitsy spider was my little one's favourite) :) They love human touch.
 
Bumbeeno, with you on this one!! That's what I have been doing ... i.e. not much :) Just talking to her as I change her, keep her company as she watches the mobile in her cot, and now I put her in her gym mini. She doesn't know what to do with it yet, but seems contented to lie there for a while. I do a bit of tummy time, she just lies there (can't lift her head) and seems kinda bored haha.

I echo your suggestion to Stamcel above. My baby used to cry and fuss in the initial weeks, and I tried everything to calm her .... only to realise that she was indeed just hungry (even though the last feed was less than 3 hours ago). After I tried filling her tummy, she was a lot happier, even if she didn't sleep, she was contented and was not fussing. Thank you Lord.
 
hi stamcel - my boy (now 4mths ) is exactley the same - only he did the same all night oo until i got in a sleep specialist. The first thing we did was swaddle him from the underarms down so he could have his hands out to self soothe - so i totally agree with what the other mums have said. Secondly, like all u ladies have mentioned - up look clock work after 40 mins ...which is the normal length of a baby that ages's sleep cycle - the hard bit is them learning to put them selves back. They do learn tho - and really what ever u have to do to get them there is ok - it boils down to what u are comfortable with. If u have time to pick up and rock - go for it - being my second - i just couldn't go down that track - so the thing that worked for us was 12 mins - not 10, of controlled crying......it is REALLY hard at first but - my boy was sooo much happier for having the sleep - than if i had rocked for an hour straight and no sleep. On that - for my boy rocking , patting him actually stimulates him more than it settles him, so maybe it may be the same for yr little man. I also tell him firmly it is sleep time - that i love him - and i will see him in an hour. And walk away ( where u can't hear- for 10 mins....turn on moniter- then wait 2 more) . Unlike my daughter i have just had to accept he is the sort of baby that is never going to sleep over an hour during the day - so it feesl like u spend all day trying to chase elusive captain snooze!!! hang in there - as his central nervous system developes he will chill more and be able to do it. The main theing the specialist told me is to be constant - as babies learn sleep signals, so create a little - "its time for sleep now" routine.
Hope there is something in there that helps - and just get thru as best as u can - they are only little for such a short time, and this too shall pass!!! :)
 
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