(Headache) Advice on my son's behaviour...

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I need some advice on disciplining my son’s behaviour

My son is 3, since he was around 1.5 we’ve noticed that he has very strong & rigid personality. He is very stubborn and has his own mind to ‘master/control’ things. The following are some examples: He wants his mother to put on the left sock, his daddy to put on his right sock. If he wants mommy to peel him an apple, nobody is allowed to touch that apple otherwise he will have a complete meltdown! No compromise! He could cry and cry till he completely lost his breath and his face turned red, just because we did not follow what he wants. This is only a very brief description of his character.

His stubbornness gets worse in the recent 6 months, but the things I find quite difficult to control is that he would deliberately do everything ‘opposite’; and the more you ask him to do “A”, the more he would reject it or simply do “B”.

About half a year ago, he would ‘scream’ for no reason. The more we asked him to stop, the madder he screamed. Whenever he is not happy over some trivial things (e.g. the other day he took out a pen and wrote on the sofa so we said to him, in a very gentle way, that we use pen to write on a paper not on a sofa. A simply statement like this triggered him to lose his temper and throw everything on the table to the floor, followed by screams!

His stubbornness even shocked his teacher at his nursery. On many occasions they couldn’t handle him so just left him in corner to let him calm down then went to him to soothe him again.

As I said, he does everything ‘opposite’ to our order. For example, in the morning we ask him to say ‘good morning’ to our neighbours and he just lowered his head and kept quiet. If we force him a little bit he will go straight into sulking or crazy screams! It happens so very often that I, and my parents (his daily carers) find very distressing.

We have tried many methods, both soft and hard. I personally do not agree with shouting or hitting, what I usually do is to tell him in a calm voice that I don’t like his behaviour (e.g. screaming) so I will send him to his room/toilet and ask him to stop his mishaviour if he wants to come out. 9 out of 10 he would cry and I would let him cry for a couple of minutes and go to him and ask him if he knows why he is sent to his room. However, I do not see any improvement on his behaviour.

People tell me that this kind of behaviour is very common on children of 2-3 years old, is it really? Is it really only a phase which will pass? I just worry that his stubbornness and bad temper (screams & throw things on the floor) and rudeness (refuse to say good morning to people) will continue and become nuts hard to crack?!?

Any advice, please. Thank you.
 
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how do YOU handle it? you've given us an idea of his behaviour, but not of you and your husband's handling of it.

it sounds to me like he's been allowed to "win" too often and now demands are escalating. you need to stop "being nice" and start being a parent. (not meaning to sound nasty, but i see this all the time....) it sounds like you are afraid of his behaviour and as such, give into his demands.

you need to start fresh. it's going to be difficult, but he needs to learn that YOU are the boss and doing what you say is NOT an option.

with my stubborn daughter, i found that controlled choices work:
1) not getting dressed isn't an option, but she can choose the pink skirt or the black skirt
2) not eating dinner isn't an option, but she can choose the peas or the corn

etc. that way, i'm guiding her but she still feels a semblance of control.

as for your specific examples:
1) writing on the sofa.... forget explaining nicely. TAKE the pen away and tell him he can have a pen again in X days. every time he writes on something he shouldn't there should be a consequence. if he screams at you. tell him he has til the count of 3. if he doesn't stop, he'll be put in his room until he does. then FOLLOW THROUGH with what you say.

2)cutting the apple: if he is hungry and wants an apple, then it shouldn't matter who cuts it. if he screams, say, you mustn't be very hungry. i'll take it away.... then FOLLOW THROUGH. then tell him if he continues screaming you will put him in his room/naughty chair/ naughty corner. etc.. then FOLLOW THROUGH. he is not to move from that space until YOU have given the OK> very, very important....it might take 3 hours to get him to sit there... but he will eventually... if YOU DON'T GIVE IN.

3) if he EVER throws ANYTHING take it away. put it into a special box for that purpose. he needs to "earn" it back through good behaviour.

the biggest thing is that parents need to follow through and NOT give up.

if he screams for 30 minutes and then you cave and give in.... guess what you've just taught him?

you've taught him that if he screams for 30 minutes you'll give him what he wants! so, next time, he may scream for 45, believing that he'll get what he wants.

if you choose the battle, you MUST win it. you cannot let him win, so choose your battles carefully and be prepared for some exhausting weeks ahead while he learns the new rules.

also, very important: make sure grandma/helper (whoever takes care of him during the day) knows what is going on and handles the situation the same way. for me, it would be the difference between keeping a helper and firing her if she doesn't follow the same method.

GOOD LUCK!

3) putting on socks: if he screams, either do it all, or take them off. tell him he won't get socks until he stops screaming. if
 
1-2-3

We use the 1-2-3 method at our house for stop behaviors (when we want our kids to stop doing something). It's a simple counting from 1 to 3, at which they get a time-out at 3. You can read the books "1-2-3 Magic" for all the details. We've found it quite useful for our 3-yr old daughter. Certain behaviors like hitting her sister earns an automatic 3 & a time-out.
For start behaviors (things we want her to start doing, like putting dirty clothes in laundry hamper), it's better to use positive encouragement rather than counting.

The key, like Carang mentioned, is consistency. Both my husband and I had to agree on this method of disciplining. We're still getting our helper to be on-board, but that's another story. For screaming/crying/whining, I suggest you either count, or ignore. As long as you don't relent and give in to his wishes, he'll soon get the idea that crying will not get him what he wants - in fact, that's what we've started telling our daughter, that crying will not get her what she wants.

As for the 'politeness' issue, I don't think it's an issue at all at this age. I used to worry about the same thing about my first daughter. Between ages 2 & 3 she'd be completely happy with me, but when another adult approached, and I greeted them, and asked her to greet them too, she'd turn her head around and completely ignore them. I now think of this as part of her 'terrible two' phase, and also due to the fact that she just had a new baby sister. She's much better now at greeting others (she's 3 yr and 3 months now). I think it's also part of her character too, as she's always been a little reserved even as a baby. On the contrary, her baby sister is now little over a year and she is extra friendly to strangers, waving hello to everyone in sight.

I wish you all the best! If your son is really that stubborn it may take sometime for the discipline to sink in, but perseverance yields result! :)
 
sorry, i've been having issues with my computer... the socks thing should have come up at the top.....not at the bottom.

hope my post didn't come across as mean or nasty. wasn't meant that way at all.
 
Would agree with carang. From my personal experience....when my 3year old throws tantrums like crying, I ignore, then give her to three to quite down, and then send her to the bathroom (no quiet corner for us...a quiet "room" instead). Consistency is the key. At the mention of bathroom now, she stops crying almost immediately now. Took a couple months though for her to fully understand...so bear with it!

Choices are important at this age since the want to seem in control...like carang say make them controlled choices, so whatever they choose, it's something YOU want them to do and not only what THeY want to do.

I find with my daughter a mixture if soft and hard work best depending on the incident....writing on the sofa would be an immediate bathroom trip.


Just never do what he wants if there is crying/screaming involved. Now when my daughter does that, I tell her "I can't her what you want mommy to do when you're crying. Stop crying and tell me nicely". That normally does the trick after I repeat it a coup,e of times and what I've said sinks in.

Good luck,
 
All very good advice above. The so called "terrible twos" seemed to last longer than 2 years old in our house too! We use the 1, 2, 3 method and time outs (to the naughty stair - bottom stair in our house) with extra bad things like little sister (2 years old) hitting big brother (4 years old), straight to her room to calm down.
 
Sounds like the very fact that you get stressed out about it gives your child control and power over you. This is a control/power issue. He has simply been allowed to control the situation. I think your child's teachers are on the right track. Afterall, they don't have the time (and they shouldn't have to) worry about if your son is "okay." Obviously, he is "okay"--he is not bleeding, in immediate danger or otherwise in trouble--he is simply trying to control everyone and everything around him and if it doesn't work his response is to scream and throw a fit. The reason why he screams and throws a fit is because he knows it will get to you--that eventually you will cave into his demands in some way or another--either that or the discipline he is receiving doesn't produce enough of a negative feeling to inspire him to stop. You said yourself that you go to your son if he cries for a few minutes. In our house, crying does not get attention unless it has a legitimate reason behind it (crying because you are physically hurt or in some cases emotionally hurt... i.e. another person has hurt your feelings). If my son cries he doesn't get attention until he stops and shows that he is truly sorry. Any parent can tell when their child is remorseful. Simply stopping crying isn't enough for us. We are worried actually more about our child's attitude than what he does because the attitude determines what he does. So, for example, if he says sorry with a snotty attitude, it is unacceptable.

I would stop trying to reason with him if I were you. Well, the thing is I would have never tried to reason with him from the beginning--this type of behavior escalates if it's allowed to take place over a period of time. I would just tell him, "Writing on the sofa is not okay. We do not do it. No, you do not get to write on paper. You get to go to the toilette/naughty step and sit for 5 minutes until you can apologize for your behavior. If you cry and scream, I will add more time. When you are ready to apologize and clean up your mess then MAYBE you can have paper and pen." Because at 3-years-old (even at 2-years-old) a child can comprehend what is not okay and what is--it's not a matter of misunderstanding, it's a matter of defiance.

Don't be intimidated by his screams and attitude. Teach him that there are consequences for bad behavior. If you want him to learn to be polite to the neighbors by greeting them in the morning you have to reward for that behavior and discipline if he doesn't participate. No need to be dramatic. Just set out reasonable rewards and consequences for behavior.

Basically, when it comes to behavior problems in young children the only people we can look at or "blame" is ourselves. Whatever behavior you tolerate or put up with is the behavior you are communicating is okay to your child. Children don't really listen to your words like an adult would--they watch what they would do. Your son is smart. He knows exactly how to control you--he knows that if he yells loud enough and long enough and does enough destructive things you will compromise and try to "make him stop." You just have to communicate through actions that his behavior will never be rewarded with attention.

When I was growing up if I threw my toys at my parents I lost them--for good. My mother literally would box them up and give them away to my friend and then I would see my friends walking around town with my toys. I guess you could say I was a "hard nut to crack" too--I was stubborn, defiant and strong-willed but my parents still didn't put up with rudeness, disrespect, anger, aggression and manipulation.

So, basically, it's not your son's "problem"--it has to do with what you allow. You reward his bad behavior by giving him attention for it. Are you rewarding his good behavior. Are you trying to "catch him" being good. Do you have a developed plan of rewards/consequences that mean something to him? I think all the answers lie within you just have to honestly assess what you are and are not doing.
 
Thank you for all the feedback and advice, which are very valuable to me. As I am working at the moment I am unable to write a long reply (but I want to write in details how did I / my parents handle my son's behaviour to let you all have a better idea what went wrong with us, the adults!)

I think I understand all the logics you have put forward here and I haev applied some. The long and short of it, on retrospect, I did reward his bad behaviour with lots of attention and the worst is, I did cave in his demands, i.e. demands to control his environment (i.e. who should put his clothes on, who should bath him, who should pour him water, etc. too many similar examples) I really want to put a stop to it but to a certain extent I was terrified (terrified is not a proper word) of his melt down, especially in public.

Another issue I didn't mention in my first message is that he has a little brother of 5 months, and, in order not to make him jealous over his little brother, we always try to NOT to give him an impression that he is punished becuause of the arrival of his little brother, and it makes me slightly reluctant to discipline him in a hard/strict way, but choose to gently 'talk' to him. Anyway, I will write my approach in handling him in more details so that I hope I can get more advice... Thanks.
 
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you should not be terrified of a 2-3 year old! your child will have hundreds, if not thousands of friends in his life who will come and go. he has only ONE mother. YOU, you have one of the most important jobs in the world and you are spending your time being afraid of your child.

YOU need to be strong. YOU need to make the rules. YOU need to follow through.

forget what other people in public think. just get on with your job.
just do it, as nike used to say.
 
I understand when you talk about having to deal with a kid throwing fits in public....I've dealt with a few too many of those! Pacific place was embarrassing! I took her to a corner and did my stuff...wasnt about to let her off the hook so easily! Got bad looks from the cleaning ladies, and other gma type figures.....ignored them...takes practice though on my part to do that!
 
you just have to decide that your child learning discipline is far more important than what a couple of busy bodies, whom it is unlikely you will ever see again, think.

makes it much easier.
 
Hi
It sounds like you are trying to work out what works best for your son, and to try and avoid situations that will result in him having a tantrum - it is very understandable. Sometimes when you are in the throes of dealing with challenging behaviour, it may seem an easier option to 'give in' but it is only a short term strategy with potentially no long term benefit.
I think you need to choose 1 or 2 (that are most important to you) issues to begin with & deal with them and progess from there. I think a child crying is a cue/clue that they are in distress. It is often that they are overwhelmed with the new emotions they are experiencing as well as a lack of skills to deal with it.
It also depends on how your child sees the world, it may be that he is visually orientated in trying to interpret his world.
if that is so, planning his routine may work better using pictures as reference for him. In terms of getting dressed, if you have a series of activities that need to be done to get him ready, have a picture for each one, so that he can follow the routine & it gives him more involvement in it also. It may be a longer process initially, but if he buys into it, it will be worth the effort. In relation to who puts the socks on, have only one person involved in helping him to get dressed. Distract & divert away from who does what & encourage more of his involvement. Engrossing him in the process, may help him 'forget' about who is helping him & engage him more in the activity.
In relation to the 'pen' I would remove it or if he is using it, do so under supervision - he was exploring his worlds & a sofa is a canvas for a 3 year old artist!!
If there is something that he's really upset about... wait until he is calm, maybe an hour later or before bed. Tell him how his action made you feel, without laying blame eg, 'I felt irritated when you ....' & request that he tries to do it differently next time.
Watch for trigger events & talk to him in a preventative way asking for the behaviour you desire on the occasion. Bear in mind that behaviour has to be taught, and as with learning anything new, it takes time, repetition & patience. And there has to be lots of room for mistakes...
Maybe talk to the nursery staff & ask if they have any suggestions & also to check how he is most of the time at nursery.
In relation to speaking to your neighbour. I would role model. He will absorb how you are behaving & communicating & learn more from your actions & behaviours than him having to say good morning. Let him watch & learns & he will in his own time say hello also.
Get support for yourself & discuss your plans with those around you. Everyone must be following your strategy.
Tell your son that you love him & that you are going to work together to finds ways to help you to live more peacefully together.
Also it may be nice for your son to see him being prioritized over his younger sibling on occasions..eg OK... I'll be with you (baby) in a moment , I'm just helping... with...

Only a few thought.... best of luck
 
Would agree with carang. From my personal experience....when my 3year old throws tantrums like crying, I ignore, then give her to three to quite down, and then send her to the bathroom (no quiet corner for us...a quiet "room" instead). Consistency is the key. At the mention of bathroom now, she stops crying almost immediately now. Took a couple months though for her to fully understand...so bear with it!

Choices are important at this age since the want to seem in control...like carang say make them controlled choices, so whatever they choose, it's something YOU want them to do and not only what THeY want to do.

I find with my daughter a mixture if soft and hard work best depending on the incident....writing on the sofa would be an immediate bathroom trip.


Just never do what he wants if there is crying/screaming involved. Now when my daughter does that, I tell her "I can't her what you want mommy to do when you're crying. Stop crying and tell me nicely". That normally does the trick after I repeat it a coup,e of times and what I've said sinks in.
 
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