Crying it out

HI PUTPUT, i have a 10 month old and i did CIO with him when he was 7.5 months old.....he sleeps well form 7.00 pm to 6.00 am every night but daytime i still rock him to sleep....after waking up at 6.00 am he needs to sleep at 9.30 am ...sometimes when he keeps wriggling in my arms although i know he is sleepy i just put him down ...he cries a little bit and then settles down himself....so for daytime i suggest see what makes both of u comfy....maybe a mix of rock and leaving alone.....but pl. follow the schedules completely....also maybe he is getting bord at home in the morning...try taking him to a park when he can enjoy diff sights and does not want to sleep so soon....hope this helps.
 
I think at 10 months your baby should be able to stay awake for at least 2 hours. some suggestions:
-put down for bedtime at 7:30pm and then wake up at 6/6:30am
-do not stay in her room after putting her down, just keep the door open a little so you can hopefully check on her without her seeing?
- what do you do together when's she awake?
- it's ok if she cries, it will eventually get less and less.
- sleep training takes a good week if not more, just stick with the timing and routine and your daughter should get the hang out of things and what to expect.
- remember that your baby wants structure and routine, it's our job is to provide it as best we can
 
Thanks so much for your responses, Mushi and Southside852.

Today has been a nightmare. I put her down at 7.30 after doing her routine and she cried till 8.45 then fell asleep for 50 minutes. Then at 12.00 I put her down again after lunch and routine and she cried till 2.30 at which point I picked her up and rocked her to sleep (haven't done that all week since starting the training but I was desperate!) and she slept for 20 minutes. Three days (not consecutively) she has been put down at slightly different times but fallen asleep between 8.30-9.00. Probably a daft question, but is this then her morning nap 'time' and should I put her down around 8.30? Could the problem be that I'm putting her down too early??? I put her down when she is showing signs of tiredness but then she's crying, fiddling, talking to herself when she's in the cot. Mushi, how many naps does your son have as I read in a previous post that he takes 40minute naps? Southside852, how long did it take to train your baby for daytime naps and did you go in and check once in a while or did you use the extinction method? Long post, sorry!
 
yes, i would give our son a quick cuddle and kiss and tell him it's time for his nap. then i would put him down, close the door and walk out. i could hear through the door whether or not he was playing etc...of course, i would occassionally peek in to see. once he fell asleep, i would go in and cover him. if your baby wakes up at 6/6:30am (likes ours did), his nap time is usually between 8:30/9am. it sounds like hers would be the same. 45 minutes is 1 sleep cycle and so in the morning, that's usually all they have. the afternoon nap is usually when they go through two cycles. hope this helps!
 
Southside852,

What time does your baby go down for nap no.2. I took your and Mushi's advice with nap 1 and she went to sleep after 25 mins of crying so thank you so, so much for helping. Now, I need to work out nap no.2 which I continue to struggle with!
 
...and how did you get two cycles out of your baby? So far, I've only managed to get two cycles if she takes just the one nap at 11.30 -13.00.
 
his afternoon nap starts between 12:30pm/1pm depending on what he's been doing before - ie. playgroup, market, playing with me at home etc...in which case i know he's going to be super exhausted. he usually goes down at 12:30/1 and sleeps until 2:30pm/3pm. crying it out helps them also figure out how to put themselves back to sleep so in the afternoon if he wakes up once after 45 minutes, do not go in. let him play etc..and see if she realizes that no one is coming in and then will then eventually put herself back to sleep.

whatever you decide to do, stay consistent with your behavior and responses to her behavior or else she'll get mixed messages and be confused.
 
Did your son ever cry through his whole afternoon nap? If so,what did you do in that situ? Southside852, I really appreciate all your help.It's giving me the confidence to get through this at a time when I really started to feel like I couldn't hack it anymore!
 
hi putput, did u take your baby out to the park like i said or did u do something else?> i am faced with another prob now.....my baby regularly wakes up at 6.00 am ...earlier it used to be 7.00am......and i don;t mind waking up with him but he gets tired very fast so by teh time his breakfast is laid he is a little cranky and it is diffulct to sustain him till his normal nap time which is at 9.30 am..... any ideas anyone who has experienced how do i get him to slep more...he goes to bed at 7.00pm sharp....should i let him cry it out at 6.00 am everyday? but i am sure he will cry quite a bit now that he is used to waking at that time.......psl. help.
 
Thank you, Southside.

Mushi, I took her to the park like you said and it made all the difference. I got a nap out of her at 8.30am after 20mins of crying which is good considering the past week. I'm making no progress with her afternoon nap though!

Early wake up: Apparently, putting baby to sleep earlier leads to a later wake up. Maybe give that a try?
 
hi everyone, putput so sorry! i have been out of town and didn't bring my computer!! glad to hear you have sorted out nap 1. I would have said the same thing, do a morning activity, go out, or lots of play and tummy time. i find that if my 9mth old doesn't get enough stimulation, naps don't go very well because he's tired but not mentally tired.

my 10mth old only has 2 naps a day (very rarely 3 times and that's only if he's been out and very busy the entire day).

we are on this schedule:

8am wake up (spend 30mins alone in the crib)
830am milk/solids breakfast
1030am water/nap
1130am wake up (spend 15mins alone in the bed)
12pm lunch/milk
230pm nap
4pm awake/milk
530pm dinner
6pm bath
630 milk then bedtime around 640 or 7pm

i find in general he is tired after 2hrs of awake time. we do a rolling schedule so it's 15-20 mins off everyday depending on wake up times. sometimes he sleeps longer and sometimes he is awake earlier.

mushi, have you tried feeding milk at 6am in the dark and putting baby back to sleep?
 
Hi milkmonster,

Thx for your response. I'm still struggling with the 2nd nap and don't know where I'm going wrong. Southside852 and Mushi have been stars and given me hope but after a week of trying to get the afternoon nap sorted I caved in and rocked my daughter. Needless to say, this morning's nap,as a result, did not go to plan and I have a horrible feeling I've foolishly put myself and my now v.confused daughter back to square one. She just cries all the way through her 2nd nap and can go on crying for hours.
 
putput, can u pls. tell us your entire day's schedule....since both milkmonster and i have 10 month olds maybe we can help a little more.....MM, i do not want to feed him at 6.00 am since when i feed him at 7.00 he is very hungry for breakfast by 8.30 and if i give him that earlier too it will disrupt my whole day;s schedule which works perfect as of now....i am going to watch him for a few days and see if he gets cranky every morning...if not then i am ok with 6.00 am.,
 
yes putput, please share your schedule so we can have more information and can compare 'notes'.

if you ignore everything and just ask yourself what you think it going on with your daughter, what does your gut tell you?

mushi, i think your son is hungry!! maybe that is why he is waking up? especially if he is really hungry at the 7am meal. my son wakes up, but never starving. he can wait and doesn't cry for meals anymore. my elder son was like that too. have you tried increasing solids during the day, or adding a more filling snack? (just an idea) that was always my first action if either of them woke up earlier - that they didn't get enough to eat the day before. that or he couls be having growth spurt?
 
putput, just had a thought, do you think your daughter, since she has been crying so much in the crib, thinks the crib is a bad place? i remember reading somewhere, forgot which author, that she would climb into the crib and lay with the baby to show her it was a safe place and there was a thread on geobaby before about a mom who made the crib a safe/fun place and her baby no longer cried.
 
haha sorry, keep thinking of things to tell you!!

ok so for my 9mth old, we always give him water before his naps. now he takes it as a signal or cue that it's almost nap time and will often yawn, close his eyes while drinking his water. do you think it would help your daughter to have something comforting, like sucking on a pacifier (if you offer) or blanket (my son does this after i put him into the crib) just a few minutes of calming before you put her down? or have you tried this and it doesn't work?
 
Thank you for being so supportive!

Ok, so here goes:

6.10: Awake
6.20: BM
6.35: Go out, plays etc
7.30: Breakfast
8.30-8.50: Start of first nap (Thank you, Southside and Mushi!)
9.15-9.30 (depending on start of nap): Awake
10.00: morning snack
11.30: Lunch
12.00: Showing signs of tiredness.

Right, now here's where it's going wrong! Doesn't matter what time I put her down at this point she will cry solid for the whole nap time if I leave the room or fiddle, cry, play with teddy when I stay in the room. She's also really clingy and sad (!) most of the day although today I rocked her both times (stupid I know but I just caved in as mentioned in my previous post) and she has been her old, happy self again.

I then end up having to rock her at some point (around 3.00) because I know she needs to sleep and she's starting to fall apart. Put her down to self soothe though and off she goes again crying.

6.00: Bath
6:15: BM
6.45: Self soothes to sleep

She may wake once or twice max, if at all, at night but she self soothes and is back asleep max after 20 mins.
 
putput, what does baby do between morning snack and lunch?
what about between lunch and showing signs of tired?

have you tried doing exactly the same sequence you do in the morning, in the afternoon? something like this maybe?

9.15-9.30: Awake
10.00: BM/snack
1030: Go out, plays etc
1130: Lunch
12: Start of 2nd nap

I have this theory that babies need to be both physically and mentally stimulated enough in order to sleep well. I.e. if they just do a lot of tummy time, but no social interaction or vice versa, they lay there frustrated that they didn't get enough. Some kids need more than others. I find reading a book, or me just talking lots seems to tire out my baby if he's finished with tummy time and the exersaucer. Haha when he looks away and stops trying to make eye contact, i know he's done. I'm in no way saying you're not playing with your baby enough!! Just putting some ideas out there.

what does everyone else think?
 
Thx for your suggestions, milkmonster. I tried to work out if it is a fear of her cot that's causing the problem but it definitely isn't that as I put her in there during a 'non nap' time and she was totally relaxed. In terms of cues, she knows she's going down for a nap as as soon as I take her into her room after her routine she starts rubbing her eyes and getting ready to go to sleep. She just doesn't want to do it out of my arms! Then she's usually at playtown between the morning nap to afternoon nap so she's getting enough stimulation and then I do the wind down so she's not over-stimulated. Feed wise she has breakfast around 7.30; BM at 10.00; lunch around 11.30 although I've sometimes had to give it after her sleep if I see that she's tired early. I've tried different variations on her timings for the afternoon nap but still can't seem to get a time where she'll go down easily.

I'm at a loss as to where I'm going wrong!!!
 
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