mama-to-be
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out of curiosity, how old are your children barbwong_130?
Baby wakes up - shud I feed her??
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fennho
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hi barbwong
I was more concerned over the "going to sleep" part rather than the "staying asleep" part. Was asking abt mommies that nurse their babies to sleep, how & when they babies learn to fall asleep on their own in the future cos I'd hate to implement any cryitout method to "train" her
I was more concerned over the "going to sleep" part rather than the "staying asleep" part. Was asking abt mommies that nurse their babies to sleep, how & when they babies learn to fall asleep on their own in the future cos I'd hate to implement any cryitout method to "train" her
barbwong_130
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AG2007: My youngest is six and the older ones are teenagers. I?ve really enjoyed having a late baby. It seems that she is all joy and very little worry ? it is as if I worried too much about the first that there is none left for this one!
Fennho: I fed all my children to sleep (when I was home) until they were about two years old. But even if your baby is weaned earlier than this you still need to be there to help them go to sleep. All my children have had a nighttime routine, of sorts, which usually consisted of a bath and books read to them in bed.
I think it is unrealistic to expect children to go immediately to bed when you say? OK, it?s bedtime now?. (In my experience they never do anything immediately even if it a trip to McDonalds!) So some sort of help to wind down from the day to get into the mood for sleep is usually required.
I try to spend time with each child for a while before they go to sleep. Even my eldest daughter who is now a grown up still likes me to lie on her bed and chat for a while before we turn in. It is a time to talk to each other without anyone interrupting. We don?t to this every night, maybe only once a week but it is a habit that has grown out of our original bedtime routine together.
What helped me deal with the amount of effort needed with parenting was when I realized that I wasn?t sacrificing myself by spending time with my children but actually building a relationship with them. In the end all parenting boils down to communication. So helping your baby to get to sleep in a way you are both comfortable with is building your relationship for the future, and as such, can not be a bad thing.
Fennho: I fed all my children to sleep (when I was home) until they were about two years old. But even if your baby is weaned earlier than this you still need to be there to help them go to sleep. All my children have had a nighttime routine, of sorts, which usually consisted of a bath and books read to them in bed.
I think it is unrealistic to expect children to go immediately to bed when you say? OK, it?s bedtime now?. (In my experience they never do anything immediately even if it a trip to McDonalds!) So some sort of help to wind down from the day to get into the mood for sleep is usually required.
I try to spend time with each child for a while before they go to sleep. Even my eldest daughter who is now a grown up still likes me to lie on her bed and chat for a while before we turn in. It is a time to talk to each other without anyone interrupting. We don?t to this every night, maybe only once a week but it is a habit that has grown out of our original bedtime routine together.
What helped me deal with the amount of effort needed with parenting was when I realized that I wasn?t sacrificing myself by spending time with my children but actually building a relationship with them. In the end all parenting boils down to communication. So helping your baby to get to sleep in a way you are both comfortable with is building your relationship for the future, and as such, can not be a bad thing.
fennho
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hi barbwong
may I ask if u nurse ur babies to sleep only for the night or for their afternoon naps as well? I am currently nursing my gal to sleep at night but strangely, during the day after I nurse her and she sort of fell asleep and I try to put her into her cot she will wake up but at night, she will continue to sleep..
So now my problem is getting her to sleep for more than 1hour during the day. She is currently being rocked to sleep in the swing but the rocking motion needs to be constant in order for her to STAY asleep...even then she will still wake up within an hour.
may I ask if u nurse ur babies to sleep only for the night or for their afternoon naps as well? I am currently nursing my gal to sleep at night but strangely, during the day after I nurse her and she sort of fell asleep and I try to put her into her cot she will wake up but at night, she will continue to sleep..
So now my problem is getting her to sleep for more than 1hour during the day. She is currently being rocked to sleep in the swing but the rocking motion needs to be constant in order for her to STAY asleep...even then she will still wake up within an hour.
wasabibunny
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Hi fennho, I remember when we were in the same posts waiting for our babies to come! It's over 3 months already... how quickly time flies! My son is almost 3m 2w and almost 7kg. Before his recent growth spurt, he was sleeping 7pm-5or5am. But for the past couple of weeks he's been sleeping 6:30pm-7am but wakes up twice to feed. I know he's hungry because even at night he eats from both breasts and goes right back to sleep. He is barely awake but just wants to eat. I also notice that he is a lot busier in the day time and might be nursing less in the day and making up for it at night. I nurse my son to sleep but he does to sleep pretty easily. I just close the blinds and nurse him and he'll know it's bed time. I can even vary the time a little bit. As long as it's around the time and it's dark he will know. Also, I find that it's so much easier for get him to bed if he's nursed. If I nurse him and pat him to bed he wakes up for easily. But honestly he last few weeks have been tiring since he is waking up more and becoming a very light sleeper. But like the other moms say, if they are just awake and happy I would let them fall back to sleep by themselves. Otherwise, I enjoy the night feeds.
fennho
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barbwong
I would really love to attend the LLL meetings but unfortunately I noted the meetings time is always in the morning from 10am and that's usually my gal's bath time.. I stay in the Kowloon side and she usually wakes up around 8-9am feed and bath, calculated and realized its gonna be tough to be there..furthermore I'm not familiar with the HK island at all.
Wasabibunny!
yes I rem our jan-mar postings as well! Looking back time flies, but for me it moved so slowly cos I had a horrible confinement. Anyway, congrats on ur cute bb! On the issue being discussed, well I enjoy nursing my gal too but can I ask if u also nurse ur boy to sleep even for his daytime naps or is it only to nights? I only nurse my gal to sleep at night becos funnily enough, she didn't go to sleep or stay asleep if I try it for her her daytime naps! I hv a headache of how to make her stay asleep in the day. She has 3 naps in the day, each one lasts for max 1hour IF I'm lucky, dats why by 6-ish, she will starts to get cranky and demands to be wiped down for her bedtime. Like your son, my gal is starting to sleep earlier & earlier. Due to the Asian working culture, this has resulted in my hubby not coming home in time to play or hv at bonding time with her at all unless he comes home on the dot at 7pm and even then only manage to catch her wipe-down session and bedtime aft that! I am wondering if I shud delay her bedtime abit so that her daddy can spend some time with her..sigh..anyway, becos its so near her bedtime, he can't really play with her too as we r also afraid of overstimulating her. Ok, I digressed from the title of my discussion but oh well, these are the probs I'm facing right now.
I would really love to attend the LLL meetings but unfortunately I noted the meetings time is always in the morning from 10am and that's usually my gal's bath time.. I stay in the Kowloon side and she usually wakes up around 8-9am feed and bath, calculated and realized its gonna be tough to be there..furthermore I'm not familiar with the HK island at all.
Wasabibunny!
yes I rem our jan-mar postings as well! Looking back time flies, but for me it moved so slowly cos I had a horrible confinement. Anyway, congrats on ur cute bb! On the issue being discussed, well I enjoy nursing my gal too but can I ask if u also nurse ur boy to sleep even for his daytime naps or is it only to nights? I only nurse my gal to sleep at night becos funnily enough, she didn't go to sleep or stay asleep if I try it for her her daytime naps! I hv a headache of how to make her stay asleep in the day. She has 3 naps in the day, each one lasts for max 1hour IF I'm lucky, dats why by 6-ish, she will starts to get cranky and demands to be wiped down for her bedtime. Like your son, my gal is starting to sleep earlier & earlier. Due to the Asian working culture, this has resulted in my hubby not coming home in time to play or hv at bonding time with her at all unless he comes home on the dot at 7pm and even then only manage to catch her wipe-down session and bedtime aft that! I am wondering if I shud delay her bedtime abit so that her daddy can spend some time with her..sigh..anyway, becos its so near her bedtime, he can't really play with her too as we r also afraid of overstimulating her. Ok, I digressed from the title of my discussion but oh well, these are the probs I'm facing right now.
Our next LLL gathering is this afternoon (Tuesday) in Starbucks in Alexandar House in Central. It starts at 2:30 pm this afternoon.
This is very easy to get to feom West Kowloon - just take the MTR to Hong Kong station (1 stop), walk through the station to the Central exits (no need to even go to street level). It is easiest to take exit E or exit F and then cross the road to enter Alendandra House. Starbucks is on the second floor.
Best wishes,
SARAH
This is very easy to get to feom West Kowloon - just take the MTR to Hong Kong station (1 stop), walk through the station to the Central exits (no need to even go to street level). It is easiest to take exit E or exit F and then cross the road to enter Alendandra House. Starbucks is on the second floor.
Best wishes,
SARAH
barbwong_130
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I would feed my babies to sleep if I was with them and it was convenient ? it was the easiest way for me to get them to sleep. I?ve always found it really difficult to keep babies asleep if I move them. So I?d feed them to sleep in the middle of our double bed and roll away. It left the baby fast asleep on the bed and not woken up when I moved them from my arms to their bed.
My babies would also fall asleep in the sling and when they were a little older (over one year) in the pushchair too. Other people who looked after my babies would get them to sleep in different ways, for example my husband would put them on his shoulder and talk them to sleep but I always fed them.
I find it hard to understand your reasons for not going out. I?m the sort of person who would do what I want and the baby tagged along. So if I wanted to go out to a meeting or meet friends then I?d go and bath the baby at a different time. In fact if the baby hadn?t woken up get I?d take a sleeping baby out in the sling and dress her later when she did woke up. This may sound crazy to you but when you get more than one child it becomes a necessity.
My babies would also fall asleep in the sling and when they were a little older (over one year) in the pushchair too. Other people who looked after my babies would get them to sleep in different ways, for example my husband would put them on his shoulder and talk them to sleep but I always fed them.
I find it hard to understand your reasons for not going out. I?m the sort of person who would do what I want and the baby tagged along. So if I wanted to go out to a meeting or meet friends then I?d go and bath the baby at a different time. In fact if the baby hadn?t woken up get I?d take a sleeping baby out in the sling and dress her later when she did woke up. This may sound crazy to you but when you get more than one child it becomes a necessity.
fennho
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Sarah
I noted the meeting today and actually planned to go,,,perhaps I might but I hv a scheduled slot today with the PD as my gal has been hvg this bouts of crying that seems to be in pain so I'm bringing her to see the pd to clear at other possible reasons..our timing is at 1130 (who is also at Central!) but Im not sure if its a good idea to stay out for so long till 230 AND attend the meeting.
Barbwong
perhaps u find it hard to accept my reasons, initially I find it hard too cos in my previous life I am ALSO a getup-and-go person and before I gave birth, I also think I would be like u, maintain the same spirit. This is not a defensive excuse but perhaps u're lucky enough to be blessed with such flexi babies. My gal is a very light sleeper. If I do wat u did, she will get very agitated. She won't sleep on the stroller and I tried puttng her in and go out anyway, hoping she'll get use to it..but alas the consequence I get is her rfusing to sleep for the entire time we r outsde or sleep very little (cos she wakes up easily and startled easily) and gets very cranky when I get home due to insuffcient sleep. I hv tried (based on diferent suggestions and and advices) to persist andjus contd but she'd cry every time, so now I limit her outins to short ones like 1-2 hour and try to ensure she gets enough sleep otherwise the vicious cycle continues...I know babies cry but mine also got additional prob - reflux so if I let her cry, she'd throw up. Which is why u see my other posting Baby Routne vs Outings. Lots of pple told me to be patient till bb is older..I'm still waitng.
I noted the meeting today and actually planned to go,,,perhaps I might but I hv a scheduled slot today with the PD as my gal has been hvg this bouts of crying that seems to be in pain so I'm bringing her to see the pd to clear at other possible reasons..our timing is at 1130 (who is also at Central!) but Im not sure if its a good idea to stay out for so long till 230 AND attend the meeting.
Barbwong
perhaps u find it hard to accept my reasons, initially I find it hard too cos in my previous life I am ALSO a getup-and-go person and before I gave birth, I also think I would be like u, maintain the same spirit. This is not a defensive excuse but perhaps u're lucky enough to be blessed with such flexi babies. My gal is a very light sleeper. If I do wat u did, she will get very agitated. She won't sleep on the stroller and I tried puttng her in and go out anyway, hoping she'll get use to it..but alas the consequence I get is her rfusing to sleep for the entire time we r outsde or sleep very little (cos she wakes up easily and startled easily) and gets very cranky when I get home due to insuffcient sleep. I hv tried (based on diferent suggestions and and advices) to persist andjus contd but she'd cry every time, so now I limit her outins to short ones like 1-2 hour and try to ensure she gets enough sleep otherwise the vicious cycle continues...I know babies cry but mine also got additional prob - reflux so if I let her cry, she'd throw up. Which is why u see my other posting Baby Routne vs Outings. Lots of pple told me to be patient till bb is older..I'm still waitng.
Have you considered making two trips to Central? One in the morning and then returning home for lunch and out again in the afternoon? It takes less than 10 minutes to get from West Kowloon to Central ? it would be possible to go back home again.
We usually try to sit on the settees near the glass windows in Starbucks. I will take an A4 size LLL logo with me and put it on the table. It is sometimes difficult to find me if you come at the beginning but if you come a little late you can usually tell from the number of babies there.
Best wishes,
SARAH
We usually try to sit on the settees near the glass windows in Starbucks. I will take an A4 size LLL logo with me and put it on the table. It is sometimes difficult to find me if you come at the beginning but if you come a little late you can usually tell from the number of babies there.
Best wishes,
SARAH
We have meeting in both Discovery Bay and Tung Chung.
The next ones are:
Tea Break
Zaks, Waterfront, Discovery Bay
Wednesday 7th May 10:00 am ? 12:00 noon
Breastfeeding Support Meeting
Flat G, 8/F, Tower 6, Caribbean Coast, Tung Chung 2257-6757
Wednesday 21st May10:00 am - 12:00 noon
All our meetings are free and it is not necessary to be a member to join our meetings. Of course we do encourage membership as money from memberships and donations are our major sources of revenue.
The format for the support meetings is similar. We spend the first part of the meeting discussing the meeting title topic and the second part of the meeting the topics which the mothers attending bring up. Thus every meeting is different depending on the needs of the mothers there.
The LLL Tea Break format tends to be more social although lots of breastfeeding questions are answered too. It is more like a cocktail format where we split into smaller groups because of the venue. We hope the Tea Breaks will encourage new mothers to get out and about with their breastfeeding baby. You can be sure of a supportive environment if you are breastfeeding in public for the first time.
We also have a prenatal breastfeeding class available in both English and Cantonese. The cost is $400.
For meeting details please visit our web site, http://www.lllhk.org/Meetings.html
The article Why La Leche League? http://www.wiessinger.baka.com/bfing/others/whylll.html
gives a nice description of why our meetings may be helpful to attend.
Best wishes,
SARAH
The next ones are:
Tea Break
Zaks, Waterfront, Discovery Bay
Wednesday 7th May 10:00 am ? 12:00 noon
Breastfeeding Support Meeting
Flat G, 8/F, Tower 6, Caribbean Coast, Tung Chung 2257-6757
Wednesday 21st May10:00 am - 12:00 noon
All our meetings are free and it is not necessary to be a member to join our meetings. Of course we do encourage membership as money from memberships and donations are our major sources of revenue.
The format for the support meetings is similar. We spend the first part of the meeting discussing the meeting title topic and the second part of the meeting the topics which the mothers attending bring up. Thus every meeting is different depending on the needs of the mothers there.
The LLL Tea Break format tends to be more social although lots of breastfeeding questions are answered too. It is more like a cocktail format where we split into smaller groups because of the venue. We hope the Tea Breaks will encourage new mothers to get out and about with their breastfeeding baby. You can be sure of a supportive environment if you are breastfeeding in public for the first time.
We also have a prenatal breastfeeding class available in both English and Cantonese. The cost is $400.
For meeting details please visit our web site, http://www.lllhk.org/Meetings.html
The article Why La Leche League? http://www.wiessinger.baka.com/bfing/others/whylll.html
gives a nice description of why our meetings may be helpful to attend.
Best wishes,
SARAH
fennho
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Hi Sarah
I know and agree with what u said about putting babies to sleep as being one of the beauties of BF but its the getting them to STAY asleep is the difficult part...I hv to nurse until she's in deep sleep if I pull away before she goes into deep sleep mode, she'll wake up! Now she wants comfort suck in the day and I end up hvg her nurse for over an hour jus to make her stay asleep for her naps. Desperate mommy calls for desperate measures!
I recommend that you read the book, No-Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley.
It is available at http://www.shopinhk.com/the-no-cry-sleep-solution-gentle-ways-to-help-your-baby-sleep-t-pr-290.html
We also have three copies in the LLL-HK library; contact Maggie 2817-7475 if you’d like to borrow one. We do ask that you join LLL-HK to borrow books. The membership form is available on our web site, www.lllhk.org – click the menu under “join”
If you don’t have time to read a book (not uncommon for a new mums) you can try listening to the LLLI podcast instead.
Elizabeth Pantley - The No-Cry Sleep Solution (#15, July 2005)
Elizabeth Pantley explains the No-Cry Sleep Solution for Toddlers and Preschoolers. Pantley is the author of six books, including Gentle Baby Care, and Perfect Parenting: the Dictionary of 1000 Tips. (23 min.)
(url: http://www.llli.org//mp3/LLL_podcast_015-NoCrySleepSolution.mp3)
This is actually about getting older babies to sleep but many of the principles are the same for younger babies.
Post script: We are holding a conference in February 2009 and Elizabeth Pantley will be one of our main speakers.
Best wishes,
SARAH
It is available at http://www.shopinhk.com/the-no-cry-sleep-solution-gentle-ways-to-help-your-baby-sleep-t-pr-290.html
We also have three copies in the LLL-HK library; contact Maggie 2817-7475 if you’d like to borrow one. We do ask that you join LLL-HK to borrow books. The membership form is available on our web site, www.lllhk.org – click the menu under “join”
If you don’t have time to read a book (not uncommon for a new mums) you can try listening to the LLLI podcast instead.
Elizabeth Pantley - The No-Cry Sleep Solution (#15, July 2005)
Elizabeth Pantley explains the No-Cry Sleep Solution for Toddlers and Preschoolers. Pantley is the author of six books, including Gentle Baby Care, and Perfect Parenting: the Dictionary of 1000 Tips. (23 min.)
(url: http://www.llli.org//mp3/LLL_podcast_015-NoCrySleepSolution.mp3)
This is actually about getting older babies to sleep but many of the principles are the same for younger babies.
Post script: We are holding a conference in February 2009 and Elizabeth Pantley will be one of our main speakers.
Best wishes,
SARAH
fennho
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hi mommies
I started this thread wondering about whether I shud my gal to sleep. I'm doing dat now...but lately she has been getting up at 4-ish, I'd feed her but she doesn't go to sleep anymore! In the past she'd nursed and sleep soon after but of late aft nursing she'd stop, pull away and jus look at me. Refusing to latch on any further, I had to rock her in my arms in order to get her back to sleep. Is it becos I pick her up too late and she's too wide awake?
When my hubby tried taking over to rock she'd smile at him, keep quiet for awhile, stare at him for a few mins, then its as if she doesn't want to fall asleep in his arms so she'd wriggle and arch to get out and cry as loud as she can, its like those temper throwing cries! When my dejected hubby passed her back to me her eyes are almost closed and she kept quiet immediately! Then she'd make grumbling sounds like "uh uh uh" and promptly fall asleep. Wat is going on?
I started this thread wondering about whether I shud my gal to sleep. I'm doing dat now...but lately she has been getting up at 4-ish, I'd feed her but she doesn't go to sleep anymore! In the past she'd nursed and sleep soon after but of late aft nursing she'd stop, pull away and jus look at me. Refusing to latch on any further, I had to rock her in my arms in order to get her back to sleep. Is it becos I pick her up too late and she's too wide awake?
When my hubby tried taking over to rock she'd smile at him, keep quiet for awhile, stare at him for a few mins, then its as if she doesn't want to fall asleep in his arms so she'd wriggle and arch to get out and cry as loud as she can, its like those temper throwing cries! When my dejected hubby passed her back to me her eyes are almost closed and she kept quiet immediately! Then she'd make grumbling sounds like "uh uh uh" and promptly fall asleep. Wat is going on?
carang
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every child goes through stages, just when you think you've mastered one, it's gone and a new one rears its head!
tell your hubby not to worry. it is a phase and will pass.
there are days that my 15 month old still only wants mummy. it's perfectly normal.
don't always think that you are doing something wrong.... you're not!
tell your hubby not to worry. it is a phase and will pass.
there are days that my 15 month old still only wants mummy. it's perfectly normal.
don't always think that you are doing something wrong.... you're not!
fennho
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Yesterday night, as usual around 4-ish, my gal wakes up...actually she didnt wakeup fully yet, was tossing her head around and making some noise, so instead of letting her wakeup fully like in previous nights, i quickly picked her up and nursed her. True enough, she didnt even open and her eyes and latched on. Aft about 20mins, her whole body went limp and appeared to be in deep sleep. So i gently put her back into the cot, and voila, her eyes popped open!
She didnt cry though. Jus looked around her cot and played her own hands. I sat and watched for a bit, then i laid down on my bed (next to her cot) and watched her from the cracks of the cot bumper. She was playing silently, then a bit of babble. But no cries. After about 1 hour, she fell back asleep on her own!
I'm not sure if i'm doing the right thing by letting her play and fall asleep on her own..cos 1hour is a bit long, rite? One of the reasons i'm against letting babies cry it out for sleep-training is becos i'm a believer in the theory that when babies cry and self soothe, they are thinking they got abandoned and no one is going to come to them, hence they will learn to self soothe and go to sleep. My gal didnt cry but i dunno if she would also think i'm not there for her? Shud i at least pat her and help her to go back to sleep faster?
I'm sorry if this question might be silly to some veteran mommies out there...but yah, jus wondering...
She didnt cry though. Jus looked around her cot and played her own hands. I sat and watched for a bit, then i laid down on my bed (next to her cot) and watched her from the cracks of the cot bumper. She was playing silently, then a bit of babble. But no cries. After about 1 hour, she fell back asleep on her own!
I'm not sure if i'm doing the right thing by letting her play and fall asleep on her own..cos 1hour is a bit long, rite? One of the reasons i'm against letting babies cry it out for sleep-training is becos i'm a believer in the theory that when babies cry and self soothe, they are thinking they got abandoned and no one is going to come to them, hence they will learn to self soothe and go to sleep. My gal didnt cry but i dunno if she would also think i'm not there for her? Shud i at least pat her and help her to go back to sleep faster?
I'm sorry if this question might be silly to some veteran mommies out there...but yah, jus wondering...