Adiri Natural Nurser

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Has anyone had any experience using an adiri natural nurser along side breastfeeding?

I hope to breast feed after giving birth but my husband and I like the idea of him being able to 'get invovled' and give our baby a bottle as well. The adiri seems to be recommended as having a 'natural' teet for the baby.
 
I havn't used mine yet as the baby is still not born but I bought one the other day and I am really pleased with the design. The whole top section is soft and I can see how is mimics breast feeding much more than other bottle teats that claim to do the same.

Definately worth looking into. I got my mine from the milk factory website - let me know if you need the link. It was delivered the next day or maybe one day later so that was excellent as well.


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Sterilizing Adiri bottles?

Hi

I agree the Adiri bottles look great. Can you tell me how you plan to sterilize them? I am the same as you and plan to breastfeed but would like my husband to be able to give the baby a bottle sometimes (and give me a rest!) so I plan on having a couple of bottles but won't have a sterilizer like I would if I was mostly bottlefeeding.

The Milk Factory site says that the Adiri bottle cannot be heated above 100C? I assume this means you can't sterilize it by boiling as I would have planned to do. What other options are there? I don't want to buy a proper sterilizer etc - too $$$!!

Thanks!
 
Hi Gumboots,
The actual Adiri website says they can be boiled or used in any basic sterilizer. They do, however, say the bottles only have about a 3 month usage life, I think they are assuming you are using them only (and not breastfeeding).
I am planning to buy them as well - just not sure how many to start off with (as hopefully only used as a supplemental feeder). How many are you going to start with?
Cheers,
Rach
 
Thanks Rach :)

I have one BFree bottle at the moment but like the Adiri now as well! If it lasts for 3 months that should be long enough for me to work out which one baby likes best and then they'll have moved on to the next size anyway, right?

I won't use them at all for the first few weeks (I'm going to worry about nipple confusion even if it isn't proven!) and then generally I would only plan to use one bottle a day - two at the absolute most - so I'm not going to invest in many. I think I'm just going to buy one of the Adiri and then wait and see what happens once the baby is here...

Actually, I have a long way to go before I can even give one bottle a day as I have made NO decisions at all about pumps etc so am not sure how I'm even going to get the milk to the bottle!! At the moment the bottles are more about my fear that I'll have no milk and baby will need formula in the middle of the night ;)

So many decisions still to think about!!

cheers
 
Hi again,

Looks like we are in the same boat. I am planning to have one bottle and a small tin of formula at the back of the cupboard for peace of mind. Hopefully I won't have to use the formula, and I'm planning to use the bottle once a day after about 6 weeks to give dad a go.

I think I'll be sending Robin out to buy the pump once we work out how to breastfeed (lucky him!).

Take care,

Rach
 
AS Sarah from LLL might say, you will always have enough milk when breastfeeding. I expressed milk for my baby for 10 months and she was breastmilk-fed exclusively for the first 6 months.

What I do suggest is to pump and save for the first few months when the baby will not need so much milk, so you can easily store (plus it will help engorgement). I used the mini electric when I went out and then the Symphony when I pumped at home (the symphony does both breasts at the same time so was good for someone like me who needed to pump 8 times a day), but I also like the mini electric. Both are by Medela.

For the bottles, Adiri can be sterilised using boiling water but with sterilisers, you need to be careful as some heat up to be above 100 degree and will ruin the bottles. When boiling them, I put a towel around the edges of my pot so that the plastic bit do not touch the metal bits, I do this with my heat pads which I used for warming up my breasts before pumping too (warming up helps me get more milk it seemed).

As for the life of the bottles, it suggests 3 months as the bottles comes in 3 sizes (Stage 1 for up to 3 months old; Stage 2 for 3 -6 months; and Stage 3 for 6 months up), this actually is the same for other bottles where you change the nipples every 3 months. This is for the reason of both the flow rate and also hygiene.

I would suggest that you just get Stage 1 to begin with and go from there (or Stage 2 if you think you will only start bottle feeding after 3 months).

Seriously, do not worry about not having enough milk supply, as long as you are letting the milk out, through the baby sucking or pumping, your breast will make enough milk. For me, at first, I only have like 30ml a pump making a total of around 250ml a day, but that was also how much my baby needed then! At the peak, I was pumping a litre a day even though my baby didn't drinnk that much, I really felt like a cow!!! As my baby began on solids, her needs went down again and so did the supply (also because I became a little lazier and pumped only 3-4 times a day) but she still had enough.

Breast milk is the best you can give to the baby, so good luck and I would gladly help anyone with questions. I also suggest for all first time mothers-to-be to attend LLL's tea breaks and meetings (they are all free) but it was SOOOOO helpful to have support of the leaders and also share problems and solutions with other mothers going through the same thing. We also got practice breastfeeding in public (together! haha) at Starbucks.

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Thanks Bubbly,

I guess i am just scared that for some reason I won't have any milk, or the baby will have trouble latching on. My mother didn't breastfeed and most of my friends with babies gave up pretty quickly.

So, with the LLL meetings, pregnant mums are welcome? i just assumed you would need to wait until you had a baby to feed to join in!
 
LLL hold prenatal meetings (I think you need to check their website for dates) I think it's a great idea as there seems to be so much info on breastfeeding it all gets a bit confusing!
 
All women interested in breastfeeding are welcome to our meetings. We especially like pregnant mothers to come. I believe that there is great value in attending while you are pregnant. You get to see other mothers breastfeeding (not that common in our society). And for two hours you enter into a place where breastfeeding is the norm (also not common in our society).

The article Why La Leche League? http://www.lalecheleague.org.nz/articles/why_la_leche_league.htm
gives a nice description of why our meetings may be helpful to attend.

We also hold a Prenatal Breastfeeding Class, details at http://www.lllhk.org/Class.html especially for pregnant mothers and their partners.

Best wishes,
SARAH
 
hi bubbly. ;) for pumping breastmilk, when will the milk be ready to pump. Is that comes right after birth right? Most mom will generate milk when exactly? The symphony and the mini electric how much are they. whats the difference? i stay mostly at home so is it better to buy just either one of them will u recommend?

for the sterilizer which one would u recommend to get? i would love to come over to see how u sterilise the bottle am kind of still not getting the whole picture yet!!

thx for your useful suggestion i noted all down ;) can i have your msn? as u may be working dont want to ring u and disturb :)
 
rach or gumbo :-0

if you are purchasing, can you pick me one up? and what nipple/teat thingy you buy to go with it. i will pay you sunday. if that is a tall order - absolutely no drama rama.

gee i feel like i really have to give up work...

cheers,

Trace xx
 
Dear Cheriebuzz,

The first milk you have starts when you are about four months pregnant. This is called colostrum. It is very good for your baby, see the article, What is colostrum? How does it benefit my baby?, http://www.llli.org//FAQ/colostrum.html

Colostrum comes in very small amounts, the average feed is only 2 to 7 mls (remember that 5 mls is a teaspoon full). Colostrum comes one drop at a time. You can see this on a video from Dr. Jack Newman at http://www.thebirthden.com/Newman.html (Scroll down until you find the video clip entitled Poor Latch/Good Latch 2)

As you can see colostrum comes just one drop at a time. I believe that this is so that the baby can learn how to coordinate the breathing with the sucking and swallowing with only tiny amounts. Imagine how uncomfortable the baby would get if he had a huge mouthful and it went down the wrong tube because he hasn't learnt the difference between breathing and eating yet.

Colostrum is much thicker than water. The books describe it as gel-like but I think of it as honey - it is sticky and yellow like honey too. And because it is so thick and sticky it is very hard for a pump to get out of your body. Hand expression is usually much more productive in the first few days.

But remember whether you can get any out or not you still have it. Think of a new jar of jam - just because you can't get the lid off you don't assume there is nothing in the jar. This is the same with colostrum - the baby is the best at getting the milk out and normally will manage where hand expressing and pumps fail.

You continue to have colostrum for around two weeks but between the third and fifth day your milk supply increases - this is the mature milk starting. The mature milk is much thinner and whiter in colour. For the next 10 days you have a mixture of colostrum and mature milk, we call this transition milk.

When the milk increases depends on how much breastfeeding you manage in the first two days. The more feeds you give the baby the quicker the milk will come in. We are aiming for at least 8 feeds every 24 hours. So skipping feeds, especially night feeds, tends to delay the milk coming in. Mothers who have to rely on expressing and pumping because the baby is ill also usually find that their milk is delayed because these aren't as good as a full-term healthy baby sucking directly.

Some mothers find that after the milk supply has increased and the milk thinned that pumps work fine and others still find that hand expressing is better. By about two weeks most mothers find that the pump will work for them.

But no pump is as good as a full-term healthy baby. We usually only suggest the use pumps if the baby isn't feeding well for some reason and the mother needs to help the baby stimulate her milk supply. If the baby is feeding well getting a full supply is much easier and better if the baby does the work.

Around four to six weeks many things happen. The milk supply is full established and working well. The mother's milk ejection reflex is working beautifully and can compete with the flow from the bottle. The baby knows exactly how to feed and introducing other things (such as dummies and bottle teats) don't have a negative effect. Mother tend to have a confidence that everything is going well. When these things happen if you want to express and feed the baby with a bottle it doesn't have the negative effects that early pumping and bottles have.

I'm sorry this is long but how breastfeeding works is actually quite complicated, anyway I hope this explains some of how breastfeeding works.

Best wishes,
SARAH
 
While I was trying to find Dr. Jack's video of colostrum for the post above I discovered that he has updated all the videos on his site, http://www.drjacknewman.com/video-clips.asp

The first two videos, 2 day old and Good drinking are very nice to show you what a baby looks like that is feeding well at the breast. I would caution you about the others - all the babies have some sort of problem and so the breastfeeding in these videos looks much harder than normal.

If, however, you do have problems watching these videos may help. But the best help would come from a LLL leader or lactation consultant.

Best wishes,
SARAH
 
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