A sound family budget?

think of it this way... i had friends here, a YOUNG couple...a little younger than i am...
they were here for 5 years.

at the end of that, they went back to canada, bought a $350,000 home with $300,000 CASH!!! they did get a small $50,000 mortgage so that they didn't have to take the first jobs they were offered. they bought 2 NEW vehicles as well.

THAT is my eventual goal.... if you keep that in mind, maybe find a photo of your dream home and post it on your fridge door AND keep a small copy in your wallet, you may find yourself less likely to spend needlessly than you would otherwise.
 
ps> my mother would have a total fit if she found out I was a "role-model"!

i have a very bad rap in my family. they all think i'm terrible with $$$. i admit that used to be the case, but not so much anymore...at least i really try for it not to be the case!
 
For our family, it is all about priorities. I think that is so helpful to sit down at as a family (husband and wife, for us as our child is too small to contribute) and talk about priorities and goals.
About accomidation, it's a huge expense (or can be). Land prices are high here. So, that is a definite priority issue. So, it's good to know what you want and what you are willing to pay for it and compromise to get there. I don't think you can exclude that from the equation. How do locals live for under 10K--I can tell you from experience that families live together (that means living with the in-laws)--and they find ways to make things go further and last longer--that is how the survive--that's how we have survived here. They buy from the local merchants who reward their customer loyalty with price cuts or extras--those sorts of things. They also barter. For transportation--they rarely take taxis--taking a taxi is a luxury item for us and especially since the fares have gone up, we take taxis late at night (never over $20 HKD/ride) so it's more safe (so I don't have to walk home in the dark) or if we have a lot of groceries and our son with us--otherwise it's very, very rare. We walk a lot--so we have to budget more time to get to the MTR station (20-minute walk for us) and we take buses and the MTR and sometimes mini-buses. My husband is so much better than me at comparing costs in his mind--so sometimes we'll opt to take a different bus just because the fare is a bit cheaper.
Us? We live in a small place (probably less than 600-square feet) but not as small as the places we looked at while we were shopping for a place (we saw some under 300-square feet!). But for us, size is not the main priority (although, who wouldn't want more space, right?)--but location is a priority--we don't want to live in the middle of a congested urban area although it might be more convenient (closer to public transport, stores and entertainment). So, being able to see green and hear birds outside is really a priority for us--but for others the higher priority might be to have easier access to certain things (I have a friend who likes living in the city for the access to the nightlife--that sort of thing)--neither are wrong or right--it's just a priority thing.
Also, we choose not to spend a lot on our housing--our rent is less than 1/6 of my husband's monthly income--yes, we could spend more but we prefer to save money because we plan to buy a home in the near future. It took a lot of searching (6 months worth or more!) as well as inquiring and looking for a "lucky break" to find the house we live in now--then we had to convince the landlord to actually rent it to us!
For us, we find that finding ways to save money is a sort of game. I am actually very proud if I can find a nice shirt for 30 HKD or less or trousers for less than 100 HKD--and I have found these before. For my work, I splurge a little on clothing (most expensive trousers I've bought were 500 HKD) because I want to look professional and nice but otherwise, I love to go to local market streets (Fa Yuen Gai--Flower Market Street or Li Yuen Gai--across from H & M) and look for bargains and use my creativity with clothing. Like, Carang, I believe in spending a bit more on shoes--especially shoes that are healthy for my feet and back (otherwise I suffer)--but honestly, I have never spent more than 600 HKD on a pair of shoes in my life and I look for deals and get the most out of what I buy.
For my son's clothing--well, I've got friends and he gets their kids' hand-me-downs and the rest I buy at local outlet stores (sample clothing)--he outgrows clothes so fast that I just don't want to spend tons of money on clothes. For his trousers the average I spend is 10-20 HKD and shirts are anywhere for 5-15 HKD/each. So...then I don't feel bad if he outgrows them before they get much wear--and then I can pass those clothes along to friends as well.
Food...it such an easy way for me to really lose track of the budget. So, I just decide what foods I'm willing to splurge on and what I'll "go local" for--and most of our food is simple and local. I really use a lot of veggies in our food because it's healthier, simpler and cheaper. We bought an small oven so I can bake things I want. And if we shop at Wellcome or Park n' Shop for groceries and think carefully about what we buy (as in, "do I really need this or just want it a lot?") we can spend only a few thousand dollars/month on food. When we eat out we very, very, very rarely eat at "Western Restaurants"--we eat local food and for a set-meal, we rarely pay over $50 HKD/person. We eat noodles, rice, meat and veggies--just basic stuff. For birthdays, we usually have a nice dinner out.
And for entertainment, my husband and I each choose a sort of personal focus--for him, he spends a bit of money on sports (equipment and use fees)--and goes golfing at a public golf course in Shenzhen (where he works) once a week (100 HKD for 9 holes). Me? I, like Carang love my massages and go to the same local place at least once a week--because I have some back problems, this keeps me from having to go to a more expensive doctor and just makes my life more comfortable--this is my big spend--I also get a discount because I'm a loyal customer.
For toys for our son--we buy one or two quality toys every few months--usually something that suits his age--right now he's really into balls and puzzles. We use some of his birthday or CNY lai see for this but not much.
For family entertainment? We go to parks which my son loves and are free. We go to the beach which is also free (except for transport). At home we watch VCDs, not DVDs and usually pay under 30 HKD for a VCD. We don't get cable or satelite TV but watch the local channels here. We really don't go on any holidays--except this year, for the first time my husband and I went to Taiwan because we got a free voucher from his parents to do so. For our holidays we go to a place like Lantau Island and stay in a moderate hotel and just go on hikes and enjoy being together. I read. My husband bought a second-hand PS2 and plays games on it. I scrap book but I don't buy the expensive pre-fabricated stuff--I invest in equipment and then use magazines or my own materials to do it. I blog. I spend time with friends just doing things like drinking tea in a local tea shop. We keep it simple and it works for us.
 
Can I ask how much you are paying for food every month? I know it depends very much on where you are buying the food (eg, 360, Olivers, supermarket, wet market etc), but my helper has been planning our menus and doing the shopping. For a family of 4 adults and a baby, she has been spending around $8000-9,000 per month for shopping for 3 meals a day. It seems like a lot to me.
 
Portia this is one area we just can't make any headway on! We are a family of 4 and our helper eats whatever we eat. We shop at Wellcome and Taste and are spending between 10 and 12 k a month on food. I think this is obscene as we are not even drinkers only buying a few bottles of wine and beer a month.

It's something we just live with however. I'm not prepared to buy meat from wet markets and really only buy Aussie imported meat. (can't stand US chicken for example).

My two kids are young, (under 3) and eat proper meals at lunch and dinner. They're just not into sandwiches unless for a snack. I don't mind, the meals are healthier but it obviously costs more and is more time consuming.

My husband has to have meat or fish at every meal. Doesn't need massive steaks or anything but he is very unhappy if we ever do a noodle stir fry with no meat and hates cheaper meals like shepard's pie because they remind him of his mother's cooking! As meat is pretty expensive there's not a lot of room for us to move on the money we are spending.

We also go through a ton of milk and i can't believe the milk prices here. We just get milk from kowloon dairy which we all like the taste of.

Included in the total are all our shampoo/toiletries/nappy needs. Just one child in nappies now thank god but another on the way so it will all start again...

My husband has just started brown bagging it so we figure we are saving a ton of money on him no longer buying lunches. I feel bad for him as we really don't need to be that extreme but in his heart he is a closet saver so actually loves adding up how much he has saved and talking about where to go on holiday:haha:

He won't give up his taxi ride home every night (100 each time) and i don't want him too. We live just past Stanley and he'd get home too late to see the kids if he caught the bus.

To get ahead i don't think you have to give up everything, it would just drive you nuts, but it helps to work out what you are willing to budge on.
 
Hi ladies, I just came back from my daily shopping trip. This thread is getting more and more exciting to me as I can see big $$$ to be left 'intact' in our bank account, thanks to all these wonderful ways of saving. For the first time today I didn't get into any of the clothes stores. My heart was pounding heavily and I had to gasp for more air as I was literally feeling breathless and dizzy. Believe me I'm not exaggerating here at all. I fought very hard not to get in and won the battle in the end. I quickly bought just enough food for dinner and some fruits costing only $135. It was also hard to put back the Korean strawberries at the shop(me and my DD's favorite fruits after moving here)...So it's not a bad start, hey? I know the priority No.1 now is how to keep it up and not fall back into the same old bad habit again. I used the same method that you ladies suggested: do I need it? Do I have to have it? The answer really is very easy to come up-NO! I think I'll change some items from the category of 'daily necessities' to 'treats'. Maybe I can get more satisfaction with the increased rarity of resouces??? Anyway, by the end of the trip I was gonna reward myself with a cup of coffee at Pacific Place. Then I thought: $31? I can just go back and make one myself...

Carang, your friend's example will be my ultimate goal, seriously. But MLBW, are you sure you're not missing at least one '0' at the prices for baby clothes? I don't really know a $10 a piece clothes exists in HK. Last time I bought some underwear for my DD at SOGO, they were $69 each!(but it was probably the cheapest thing there). Stanley? Some locals told me it's a tourist spot and people get ripped off there. That's why I had never set foot there. I will definitely try Fa Yuen Gai if I need to(I honestly think we can survive the whole year without the need for new purchases).

Regarding hubby's lunch(average $70 a day)...Mmm, I have to get the cookbook first and cook dinner then have enough interesting leftovers for him to take to work. Maybe he needs a bit of convincing...

Aussiegal, congratulations on the new bub on the way! Any other ladies thinking of number 3?

Hat off to sensible spending and greatest saving % of income...:yeah2
 
i would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER buy clothes for my kids in sogo! yikes! VERY expensive!

STANLEY!!! all the way! but you still can bargain...if they don't go down in price, then walk away.

ps> would KILL to have #3... cannot talk hubby into it!
 
oh! wow! ummmm....VERY brave of you!

my problem is not having the child... it's the pregnancy! as most of you know, pregnancy and I do NOT get along. i just can't afford to spend as much time in the hospital as i did last time round. i also can't afford to end up in a wheelchair again, especially now with my thriving playgroup. i would be happy to adopt, but hubby is concerned that our adopted child would not be as readily accepted by his family as a natural child.
 
Thanks to you all - I have just been in HK 2 weeks and I am trying to but a rough budget together.
This has been really helpful.
 
Carang, i understand. I have pretty bad pregnancies too though haven't ended up in hospital thankfully. Pregnancy is the hard part in my opinion!

We're having a third boy. Have told my husband that if he wants a girl we'll have to adopt because i won't make it through another pregnancy :haha:

But anyway, don't want to hijack the topic. It's a good one.
 
Dear all, it's me back again. When I first came to HK and long before we made the actual move, I'd been a big fan of this forum and the other one geoexpat. However back then I was merely admiring from a distance, eg. Carang's careful approach to spending and planning. I'd be saying 'good for you, Carang!', then completely forgot about it when I got here and was quickly drawn deep to the centre of the greedy need. Plus it's so convenient to shop and with millions of varieties available. Now I realise that there are always better things out there. I cannot take them all home with me. And I don't have to worry about 'what I'm missing out on'(used to do this a lot that's why I almost visited the stores every day to check things out). It's time to say 'I've got enough'.

And oryx, it's good for you to be wanting to do the right thing from the start. As I said before, one can easily get lost here(I personally feel this city is full of temptations). When working on the budget, I think I'd take MilkMonster's advice-make it more realistic and achievable. Otherwise if it's too hard to stick to, it can be easily ignored(at least in my case).

I owe you all ladies a drink(of coffee). Hopefully we can meet up sometime after my helper comes. Then I can update you on how much money you've helped me saved...:grouphug:
 
On second thought...I probably should invite you all to my home and serve you with home-made coffee...That would be a saving of 200 bucks...LOL
 
HK2008. No, not missing a '0'--of course if you're shopping in department stores you're going to pay that extra '0' because those stores have overhead. In the local shops and markets the cost is WAY lower. Even Stanley market (although often higher-priced than the very local shops) is usually much lower than any department store. For me, I think that even Wing On is incredibly overpriced for the things that they sell. I suggest getting to know a local mom or someone who has been here long enough to know where local people shop and then you will definitely, definitely find children's clothes for much less than $100 HKD. Where I buy my son's, a nice set of toddler clothes (matching Carter's set--trousers, shirt and sometimes jacket) is usually from $50-60 HKD. I'm still fine with dressing my son in t-shirts and sweat pants and khakis. I just bought shoes for him at CityStore and for 2 pairs it was around $200 HKD--or maybe a bit less--and they fit well and are well-made.
 
I'm so happy to hear you've made changes, and so fast!! For us, we started to freak out about saving money as soon as i found out i was pregnant. both of us were self-employed at the time and just spending and having a grand time in hk. We have since changed our lifestyle and definitely care more about the future.

Wow! #3?! Congratulations!! You are brave!! I too want to have more children but both my kids were born premature and I don't think i am strong enough to go through all that again...we may consider adopting a girl in 3-5years...I've got 2 boys.

A realistic budget, unless you are in a circumstance that forces you to be on a tight budget, is one that you can stick with for a long time. that's better than setting up one that sounds and looks good on paper but is completely not do-able in day to day life or is a real struggle because you have a higher chance of 'relapse' into your old habits. You spent years creating these habits, it will take some time to make real changes to how you think. Haha I tell all my no-parent friends to buy all the brand name bags and watches, etc. before they get pregnant so they can do so without the guilt! We made changes to our budget slowly. cutting out "wants" gradually. In terms of saving up money to buy a place, we ended up buying a place in Toronto instead of HK, and renting it out. we figured it makes more sense for us to rent here and buy back home even though we don't have plans to move back to Canada anytime soon since with the money you would invest in a place here, you could do the same for 2 properties back home. This also helps us feel like we are moving forward with our goals and keeps us aware. Sometimes its easy to get caught up with everything and start spending on stuff you don't need.

so while we are on the topic of stuff you don't need, for cheap clothes for babies and some toddlers you can check out Togs Unlimited - have found some pretty nice stuff there. mostly baby stuff though.

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oh another tip! I only buy kids shoes on sale. when i do, i buy 2 pairs, the size that fits and the size up. that way i am never stuck in a situation where i have to buy shoes that are full price.
 
i, too, buy shoes that are too big when they are on sale. i usually buy the kids some shoes when we are overseas. they seem a little more reasonable in price.
 
My favourite shop for kids in HK is King Kow. Can always find heaps of fabulous items and they regularly have huge sales, 50% off or more so I generally wait when i like something and avoid paying full price. My kids are always dressed well but it doesn't have to cost a bomb. I could never go back to paying Sydney prices for kids clothes. They are horrendous.
 
I go to those import-export shops to get kids clothes and sometimes, hubby's too. Jordan has a few shops. I got some nice t-shirt plus shorts or t-shirts plus long pants for my son, it cost around 39-49$ each pair! Winter sweaters or long sleeves from branded like Children Place, pumkinpatch, old navy, next... cost only 39-49, always buy one size bigger too. Shoes, i got it from Tung Chung DR. Kong $100 per pair. I live in Tung Chung so when the kids outlets onsale, i got a few pairs for big occasions (we got invited to few parties or functions a year). Yesterday was in 7seven, saw some nice white tops for $100, so i chose one and pay but the shop lady said, 3 for $100..... wow, what a deal!! Grocery can't really save much but marketing I do it in the local market so save a lot compare to buy from park and shop or taste or welcome. Never save on shoes - hubby wants Geox or Aerosoles and for me, at least Walkers. Walk a lot so have to have a nice pair or it will kill my legs with a toddler!
 
Hi ladies. I think I was being a little bit naughty today...It was too much to resist as my taste buds kept calling for my usual favorites, so I had 'relapsed' a little and bought around $250 worth of fruits alone... Please don't be disappointed at me...I think MilkMonster is right - I can't make my budget too tight. :Butbut I didn't visit any clothes stores for two days in a row! I have to say you ladies are amazing and incredible. It takes so much willpower to say 'no' to all the goodies out there. I know I should always keep my guard up and avoid excessive spending, but can someone please give me a little bit of 'green light' on the food part? especially if I'll be good and limit the dining out to once a week?
Sooorry to say that I still need a lot of monitoring, but I'll keep learning from you as I can see, even from a long distance, that my dream home is waving at me...:flower:
 
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