Stand and Deliver: My most recent birth experience

Dear lord, Thanka, you made me laugh! I was thinking about all these Hong Kong nurses running around panicked at this big, naked, screaming foreigner spewing bodily fluids everywhere and refusing to lie down!
I'm so glad it worked out for you. Congratulations on your little angel.
I, too, will try for natural birth, though I may not be as brave as you in standing up to medical staff. (And, if I go through what you did, my hubby probably would pass out!)
Best wishes for your little one.
 
thanka, thanks for the post. i was so happy when i got your sms! congratulations to you....but i gotta tell you...after two c-sections and no labour at all...i actually feel better about my births! LOL! although, i really envy the feeling of empowerment you must have felt to hold your little one after going through all of that!

It's definitely mostly about philosophical differences when it comes to birth. I was thinking about this today as I was reading some of the above posts. It's one of those things where there is no way that someone who hasn't gone through an unmedicated natural childbirth can really understand experientially what it is and in the same way, people like me who have never gone through a c-section can't understand experientially what it is. Unless someone who has had a previous c-section goes through an unmedicated VBAC the two camps remain quite distant in experience.

The thing is, what I described of my labor isn't unusual--pain is often a part of labor but I have to say that although I experienced pain, I did not experience suffering or a sense of helplessness. Some of the words that were running through my mind while I was in labor came from my previous birth experience where one nurse, during the pushing phase had said to me, "Here comes a contraction, get on top of it!" I found that when I could feel a contraction starting I just instinctively started breathing. As I was breathing I was saying things to myself like, "Feed your uterus oxygen. It's a muscle. It needs oxygen to work." Because, a lot of the time women get scared and stop breathing or start hyperventilating and that is when things go south and start getting dangerous. I also told myself, "As long as you can breathe that means that you're still alive and this pain is not going to harm you or kill you." I also at one point toward the end when I was feeling really weak as I stood by the wall said to myself (although I didn't really feel like it) "I can go for days. I have the strength. Bring it!" All of these things helped me get that second and third and fourth wind so I could keep going. And above all, I was praying and my husband was praying the entire time and I just felt totally protected and that God was with me.

For me, after my son was born and I went through the trial of that labor and recovery, eventually I really did feel a sense of empowerment. This time around, I just felt a sense of grace and glory. It was a very spiritual experience especially since my husband was so intimately involved in the labor process. It is truly a precious experience to me and I think that this has affected my ability to adapt to the newness so far.

I have a friend who about a month ago did an unassisted childbirth with her husband in Australia (I wasn't aware until afterward that this is what they were doing) and she just talked about how the whole experience was so healing for her (she had a very bad experience with her first birth) and that she hasn't had any post-partum depression (which she really struggled with with her first child). She gave birth to a 12 pound baby too and didn't even tear because she was just so relaxed and in her element in her own home. Her labor was 5 hours long and she gave birth in a pool in her house. Now, whether one agrees with or disagrees with people who do unassisted childbirth, all I can say is that childbirth can be either very damaging psychologically or very healing--and a lot of that has to do with the environment the woman is in when she gives birth. There is even a lot of evidence that childbirth, in the right circumstances, can have a healing effect for women who have suffered sexual abuse and trauma. So, that's why I can't just approach childbirth as a medical procedure and that is why also I really appreciate that I could give birth the way I did--because there is so much more going on at the time of birth than just a baby coming out of a woman.

So, beyond all the health pluses of being able to give birth unmedicated and vaginally, for me I think the mental and emotional pluses were pretty profound this time around.
 
Thanka2 that was such a great birth story and so good you got what you wanted - we share the same philosophy about birthing so congratulations and awesome to know that you did this in Hong Kong. You did have me laughing, especially about the poo and the noise, I had both those experiences and there is nothing you can do about either- can't believe the nurses hadn't seen/heard it before!!! Maybe that is because of the high caesarean rate here. It is hard enough to achieve a natural, drug free no intervention birth anywhere in the Western world, but especially here. In the unlikely event that I am lucky enough to have another baby I will definitely be following some of your tips, especially as I think I would also go public. Looking forward to hearing about your new baby

Thanks TNT. It's good to meet someone who seems to "get" where I'm coming from. And you are totally right--there is absolutely nothing you can do about vocalizing in labor or making a mess--you just have to surrender and let your body work. In that way, it's a very human and humbling experience--especially for us ladies who like to be in control and in charge (like me). I feel happy that I somewhat proved that "it can be done" in the public hospital--with a lot of grace and commitment, it really can. Thank you again and will definitely give updates on baby in the near future. :)
 
Congratulation thanka2. This is really an achievement. When my daughter was born 3 years ago , in Prince of Wales, we were there for four days before delivery and i remember whenever i told the nurses anything like that, they never used to like it. And in the labour room, when i told the mid wife i wanted to walk or squat, she said "it seems you've been reading a lot of western books. Procedures are different in HK." We were really annoyed to hear that. How can birthing be different in different parts of the world. But after reading your story, i think we will definitely have it our way whenever we have no.2.
Great. Congratulation again.
 
yes, see, i had no choice but to go the route that i did. with extremely high blood pressure and the onset of pre-eclampsia, vaginal birth was not an option the first time round.... it also caused problems the second time round.

as for pain? my epidural didn't "take" during my first c-section and i could feel everything.... so, i, too experienced the pain... just a different kind.
 
Congratulations, Thanka, on the birth of your baby daughter. Well done on being so strong.

I have had three wonderful birth experiences, all natural delivery, intervention-free. The first, in Singapore, was led by a doula. She helped me at home (boy, that counter-pressure is FANTASTIC!). I used a TENS machine - also FANTASTIC. I arrived at the hospital 8cm dilated (after 4 hrs labour at home), reached 10cm about 10 minutes after arriving, and then spent 2 exhausting hours pushing. My doctor was totally hands off, let my doula and husband coach and support me, let me try a birthing stool, and eventually I gave birth kneeling backwards on the bed.

Babies 2 and 3 were born at the Matilda. The midwife was a little concerned I didn't want medication as I crawled on my hands and knees round the floor of the delivery room during labour number 2. My birth plan even said "Don't offer me medication. I'll scream for it if I want it!" I laboured at home for 2.5 hours, went to the hospital sure I was 8cm dilated (as the pain was so strong) and was told I was not even 1cm dilated! In the next hour I went from 0 to 10cm. Ouch! that hurt!!! (hence the crawling on the floor!). The midwife couldn't take it in the end and asked me if I wanted some pain relief. I caved and agreed to gas and air. They took that away from me when i started pushing as it was making me doolally! ;-) My doctor - Dr Ghosh - was fabulous. He was there for the pushing part, kept patting my leg, telling me not to scream and to focus that energy on pushing (he's right, it helps!). He let me deliver kneeling backwards on the bed. Baby was born after 4hrs 20 mins of labour.

I was expecting number 3 to be a 2 hr labour, start to finish - but the little monkey kept me wandering the corridors of the Matilda for 7 hrs as I wasn't dilating. The midwives just left me too it as they remembered me from last time! ;-) Eventually, I asked for an enema as I wanted the baby born in time for my husband to go home and bath our two big boys and put them to bed. Sure enough, that worked!! Husband had popped out, midwives were leaving me alone, I nearly gave birth alone on the toilet in the labour room. Luckily, husband arrived back just in time, yelled for the midwife, who yelled for Dr Ghosh (who was in the other labour room). It took another 20 minutes for the baby to crown and again, gas and air were my friend. Not so much the pain relief (it gave none), but it gave me something to bite on!!!

Anyway, I loved reading your story. Very empowering. I too trust my body. When I was having difficulty pushing out child number 1, I listened to the birth CD I was playing. A line about "giving birth like millions of women have done before you" convinced me that I was able to do it, and that's when I pushed for real.

Best of luck to anyone else approaching birth. It's the experience of a lifetime.
 
Stand and Deliver: My most recent birth experience
by thanka2

(Note: This is a long post)

Pretty excited to share my birth experience here with all of you. Over the past several months we've had many a discussion (sometimes quite heated too) here about pregnancy and birth, especially pertaining to interventions in childbirth.

I have to say that although I took a 12-week husband-coached, natural (meaning, unaugmented/unmedicated/vaginal) childbirth course before my son was born in 2007 and went through a 43-hour-long natural childbirth with him, I really feel like in retrospect I didn't know ANYTHING either about childbirth or natural childbirth until the end of this most recent pregnancy. There really is SO MUCH to know and learn and experience when it comes to this topic.

So, without further ado, for those who have been following the discussion, here is my birth story. I hope it will be encouraging to other women who will give birth in Hong Kong.

My due date was March 17, 2011, St. Patrick's Day. I had ?a feeling? this baby would come early just because I had been having intense, sometimes painful Braxton-Hicks contractions since I was 5-months pregnant and over the previous 8 weeks they had gotten a lot more frequent. My mother's birthday is March 14 so I thought that maybe the baby was waiting for that day as my son was due on my husband's birthday and even though I went into labor (naturally, without induction) on that day?he took a long time to actually be born so he was born at the end of the next day?missing Dadda's birthday by one day. Anyway...so as my 3-year-old son commented to his grandparents one day, ?The 'mui mui' (Cantonese: 'little sister') is taking SO LONG to come out!? When the 14th came and went, I started to feel the same. I had a very strange dream about two days before the 17th in which a friend from back home told me, ?If you don't have that baby on her due date, I'm not going to give you any more cookies.? Ha! Funny thing is that this friend e mailed me the very next day to ask how I was doing.

The 15th and 16th I was having intense contractions sometimes for hours in the evening. Actually, about 2 weeks before my due date I really thought it was ?go time? while we were out eating dinner one night?turns out it wasn't.

On March 17th, after the consistent use of Raspberry Leaf Tea, Evening Primrose Oil and sex for about three weeks, at about 2:30 am I started to have what I felt might really be labor contractions but since I had been thinking that for a month already it took until 4 am before I told my husband, ?Okay, this is for real, I think.? About 6 am, we called our neighbor who has a car and told her to be on standby as I was in labor.

Got my son up for kindergarten and when he left at 8 am, my husband and domestic helper began filling up a kiddie swimming pool with warm water that we had placed in our living room (we'd blown the thing up and put it in another room, awaiting the day?we don't have a bathtub). It took probably almost 2 hours for the pool to be full but I was still utilizing it?getting in sometimes to sit and go through a contraction (honestly, it made the pain go from Level 8 to Level 4 almost instantly). But, the water was a bit too warm for me so sometimes I'd get out and lay on some towels on the couch for a contraction.

I was having the ?wonderful? back labor (feels more like butt/hip labor to me, though) that I had with my son?felt like fire in my sciatic nerves and as if my hips were being pulled apart (which if you think about it?they kind of are).

The other things I was doing was walking around my house and when I'd have a contraction, I would push my hands up against the wall in a ?wall pushup? position and have my husband give me counter-pressure with his fists directly on my hips and lower back. Let me tell you, COUNTER PRESSURE is the antectdote to back labor. I didn't even know what counter pressure was when I gave birth to my son?so glad I read about it this time!

I would also stand in one position and rotate my hips in circles. I did this more in the first 4 hours of labor. As I did it I would breathe and vocalize in a low moaning register and sometimes just say the word ?open? over and over again encouraging dilation.

So, the first four hours of labor were pretty manageable?I was able to talk and sometimes laugh. The contractions were coming every 3-5 minutes and lasting for about 45 seconds-1 minute.

The next 4 hours of labor were becoming much more intense. In fact, at around 10:30 am I said to my husband, ?You'd better call our friend and tell her to get ready to come over because I don't know how I'm going to handle these contractions inside of a car where you can't give me counter pressure as easily.? So, he called her and with the help of the domestic helper prepared the bags. I got in the shower to clean up as I knew it would be my last for awhile. Got dressed and by this time the contractions were coming every 3 minutes exactly and lasting for at least 1 minute. Got outside the apartment (we live in a pretty rural village in the New Territories) just in time to have a loud contraction right in front of a little store where all the old gossipy ladies in the village gather every day. You should have seen the look on the store owner's face?her eyes were as big as saucers.

My friend was nice enough to bring along a bunch of towels. In the car, I squatted down on the floorboard behind the passenger seat, holding on to the headrest as our friend drove the 30-45 minutes to the hospital (we live near Yuen Long but we were giving birth in Chai Wan). In between contractions where I leaned my bottom back on to the back seat for pressure, vocalized loudly, praying most of the time, I was even able to carry on somewhat of a conversation with the driver?nearly until we'd reached the hospital. Along the way, I'm sure I peed but I think I also started to leak amniotic fluid.

Got out of the car at the hospital just in time to have another really loud contraction right on the sidewalk. The attendants kept yelling, ?Get her a wheelchair!? I told them, ?I don't want a wheelchair! I can't sit down!? (by this point, I had such intense pain and pressure in my hips and bottom sitting was like the ultimate torture). So, I waddled inside the doors of the hospital just in time to have another contraction in which I held on to the ears of a statue that looked like a Mickey Mouse wannabe. Waddled over to the checkin counter just in time to have another contraction, this time, in the ?wall pushup? position with my husband giving counter pressure into my hips. Meanwhile a row of old Chinese men donning surgical masks sat messmerized staring at me. Got through check-in quickly and then in the elevator had another contraction. By this point, contractions were coming every 1 ? minutes and lasting for about 1 minute.

Got up to the triage station. I had to wait my turn as another lady was being assessed. Meanwhile, had another contraction pushing against the wall with husband giving counter-pressure. I vocalized loudly and a nurse descended upon me telling me strictly, ?Deep breaths!? I snapped my fingers in her face in a ?Shut up and let me get on with this? manner. She was visibly taken aback. After the contraction, I apologized to her and said, ?Sorry to snap at you but when I'm having a contraction, don't talk to me.? Honestly, throughout the whole process, it would have been better if the nurses had just kept their mouths shut?I know it's ?their job? to try to coach you through labor but as they say where I come from, ?This wasn't my first rodeo? and I had a labor coach who was doing a fine job already. I was breathing?those deep breaths?how do they think I managed to have enough air in my lungs to vocalize so loudly. At one point, later on, a nurse said to me, ?Please don't yell. When you do that, it scares me.? Ha! I'm thinking, ?Lady, scaring you is the least of my concerns right now...get it over it.? They also tried to put me into this long-sleeved hospital gown with a high neck that was unbelievably hot. I refused to wear it and told them I would wear my own t-shirt to which they exclaimed, ?But is it clean?!? I told them, ?Well, I put it on about 45 minutes ago so I'm guessing it is.? It wasn't 30 minutes after I had arrived at the labor room before I was 100% naked, though?the whole hospital attire thing wasn't working for me, let's say.

After all the checking and prodding in triage they said I was 4 cm dilated and I could go into the labor room. A couple of nurses who looked like high school interns (Candy Stripers is what we call them where I come from) were nervously trying to get me into a wheelchair again but an older, wiser nurse came along and directed them to grab our bags and then told me, ?No hurry...we can walk down there.?

Got to the labor department and what seemed like 12-15 nurses and staff descended upon us. They first wanted me to lay down on the bed and get hooked up to the fetal monitor. I told them that it was simply not going to happen?not only did I not wish to be continually monitored, it was physically torturous for me to lay flat on a bed.

They then were frantically trying to read my birth plan and playing a game of 20 questions with me about it. But, because of the contractions coming ever 90 seconds or less and lasting for over a minute, they got very few answers to any of their questions. I guess the most substantial agreement that came out of that conference was that yes, according to my birth plan, it was acceptable to put a heparin lock in my hand (the entry point for an IV) in case I needed fluid, medication or blood later on. That was inserted.

They asked if I wanted nitrous oxide. I said, I wouldn't mind trying it as I had researched and learned it's quite safe to use in labor as its effects are very temporary. However, they told me I'd have to lay down in the bed to use it because it causes dizziness and so I had to decline. After they tried their hardest to get all these confirmations on my birth plan out of me we asked them to dim the lights on their way out.

There was another woman next to me laboring but her water had already broken and she was laying flat on the bed in stirrups. Throughout labor you could hear the nurses telling her to not make any sound and she pretty much was able to oblige?I only heard a few whimpers from her. I felt sorry for her having to hear me vocalize so loudly but that's life. Later on, in recovery, I got put with a roommate who had serious sinus issues and snored louder than my father (and that's LOUD) all day and night?so I paid my dues later.

Because we had made it known that we didn't need any labor coaching from the staff, there was little more meddling they could do so they made themselves scarce?all 12+ of them went over to help the other woman.

Here, I'd like to say that I'm really glad I don't understand Cantonese all that well. For example, throughout labor when they would come to check me (and they were SO SLOW at doing everything)--such as doing intermittent fetal monitoring with a portable wand?and then I would have a contraction in which I wouldn't let them touch me as it was simply to painful to have them sticking me or poking me with objects?instead of waiting patiently for a minute for the contraction to pass and then going back to work, they would simply just leave?usually without accomplishing the mission they'd set off on.

My husband, who speaks Cantonese as his first language, said they would usually be murmuring something about, ?Ha. They want to do this their way, huh? Well, they'll be begging us for help later.? They just really took the fact that I didn't need them bossing me around quite personally and were a bit miffed.

Also, a note of advice that my husband followed which seemed to work well?if you speak Cantonese?pretend you don't and make the staff speak with you in English?it gives them less power to argue with you and actually makes them take a more respectful tone with you. This advice comes courtesy of other English-speaking Chinese friends who have dealt with the public hospital.

So, meanwhile, in labor I had basically two positions. One was the ?wall pushup? position. When I got too weak or dizzy to stand, I would go lay on the bed on my side and go through a few contractions but those contractions were at least 50 times more painful than the ones standing up?the only reason why I even laid down at all was simply to regain some more strength to stand.

I was making a mess and the staff had taken off so it was like a real chore to try to get them to even give us a towel or paper napkins or something. We had brought a bunch of underpads to the hospital but in the rush, they had been stored in the locker and my husband wasn't about to leave me alone to go get them (although the nurses kept badgering him about them?at one point one of them told me ?Tell your husband to go buy some pads!?). We kept telling the hospital staff, ?We'll give you two full packs of the underpads after labor to use but we need to borrow some now.? They were SO STINGY with those stupid underpads and never did bring us a napkin. My husband was actually rummaging in his bag pulling out Starbucks napkins to use!

Oh, a side note. For those of you who have been through labor, you know it's a bit graphic and for those of you who haven't and think it's a neat, tidy and clean process, you'll be very surprised. It's a well-known fact that in labor there's a lot that comes out of a woman and it ain't all baby. So, from the time we arrived at the hospital at around 11 am-noon began the ?pushing down? phase. Every contraction felt like a grunting, huge urge and I can't say that I was actually pushing down but I know my uterus was?it was totally out of my control. All that pushing led to some poo coming out. Now, this happened when I gave birth to my son as well and the midwives handled it like it was no big deal?they just cleaned the mess and we kept going?totally professional and did everything with dignity.

But, as I said, we had no napkins or anything to clean with and all the staff were somewhere else so my husband, bless him, picked up the poo with a Starbucks napkin and was looking for a bin to toss it in when a nurse came in and exclaimed loudly, ?Oh my God! Where did that come from?!? She was so freaked out by a bit of poo! It really makes me wonder where on earth she received her training from. It was so rude, it was comical and just speaks volumes about the staff we were dealing with. My husband kind of laughed to himself and thought, ?Sweetie, where do you think it comes from? Do I need to get a medical dictionary out for you??

By the end of everything, I had left at least two bloody handprints on the wall, a completely soaked underpad with various fluids on the floor, a blood and poo smeared chair and various droppings of other kinds around the room. I'm sure that they don't see that every day in the public hospital!

The nurse at some point had checked me and said the bag of waters was still intact and bulging out but I was about 8-9 cm dilated. We were debating whether or not to break the waters as if we did break them it could actually cause me to go backwards in dilation?maybe down to 6-7 cm and it usually makes the contractions much more painful as then the baby's head is directly pushing on the cervix without the cushion of the amniotic sac. We had asked the nurse to come back and check me one last time and if we were already at 10 cm we planned to have them break my water. But, every time a nurse would come to check me I would, of course, have a contraction (again, they were SO SLOW at getting stuff done!)--I was having a 1 ?-minute contraction every 1 ? minutes at this point. During a contraction I couldn't bear to have them inserting fingers in me so I wouldn't let them touch me. Instead of just biding their time for a few more minutes to get through a check, the nurse would just take off?again, mumbling to herself about how awful we were. Serious bad attitudes, let me tell you?it's a good thing that I was so in the zone that I couldn't have cared less. But this went on for 2 hours! They couldn't make it through a cervical examination in 2 hours!

So, I was lying on my side and went through a contraction so intense that I literally was rolling my Rs and screaming like a banshee by the end. I looked at my husband and said, ?Okay, for this next one, I have to get up and get to the wall, I can't go through another one like that lying down.?

So, we got to the wall and began the ?pushup? with counterpressure when there was a splash and whatever was left of the amniotic sac broke and splattered all over the wall in front of me. I reached down and I could feel my daughter's head. I tried to communicate to my husband, ?This baby is coming now!? He had been instructed in a really blaise manner earlier to ?Let us know when her water breaks? so he leaned his head around the corner of the cubicle and called, ?Her water broke.? He still didn't realize that she was crowning.

I told him, ?I can feel her head.? So, I'm holding her head and the nurses come running around the corner and by this time my husband knew the baby was coming out so he got down in front of me to try to catch her. He had had the opportunity to catch our son when he came out with the birth in the States so he knew what to do but he was concerned as he had no gloves on and had been handling my poo earlier. The nurses started freaking out and they threw a green canvas mat onto the floor over the underpad I had been using and it was probably about a minute from the time I felt her head until she was completely out, lying there on the canvas. She had great color but they aspirated her because they said she might have swallowed some of my blood.

At this point, my husband had gone behind me and was propping me up in a squatting position on the floor. The herd of nurses had finally returned, all focused on the baby (who was doing well and crying?not blue at all?pink and rosy) and they called over their shoulders, ?Hey, get her to the bed.? My husband was like, ?Hmmm...do you think with the 15 of you, maybe one of you could give me a hand 'cause I'm supporting her full weight and she's exhausted.? (side note: I weigh at this point at least 40 kilos more than my husband!) Finally, somehow they got me to the bed.

They put syntocin into me as a preventative measure as I had hemmorraghed with my first birth. The placenta delivered well and I did have a bit of tearing (probably from the force of standing?I know they recommend that you slow down and EASE the baby out but at the point when she was born I had no choice in the matter?I couldn't have stopped that contraction's force if I had wanted to!)

After they showed my daughter to me to confirm that I knew she was a girl they told my husband, ?You need to go out now.? He asked ?Why?? They replied, ?Well, we have to sew her up and there will be blood.? To this, my husband, with a big ole' blood stain on the leg of his pants, blood all over his hands and on his shoes scoffed, ?Blood?! Do you think I haven't seen any blood today?!? The nurse laughed a bit and agreed that he could stay.

Later my husband told me that the husband of the other lady giving birth had been told when the baby was about to come out, ?Are you sure you want to stay? This is VERY DANGEROUS! The baby is going to be born! It's VERY DANGEROUS! We have to focus on the mother and the baby and we don't have time for you to pass out. There is going to be blood.? This was the woman's third child and still the husband himmed and hawed about it and seemed to not be able to make up his mind?in the end, he stayed.

For the sewing-up part, I tried out the nitrous oxide and LOVED IT! Maybe I loved it a little too much! By the end, I was singing a merry little tune!

They left us for three hours in the labor room for observation in which time I breastfed and the baby did well with that. We had earlier booked a bed in the special acommodation ward in the hospital. The charges were a little over $2,000 HKD/day but that was all-inclusive and considering we were originally going to go to a private hospital, the amount we paid ($7,200 HKD for everything, start-to-finish) not only was about 1/10 of what we paid with my son's birth in the States but also was worth every cent.

I have to say that although the staff we dealt with at the labor and birth of our daughter had poor attitudes and no comforting skills at all (one nurse half-heartedly, and stoically stroked my hand a few times once during a contraction?it was very odd and uncomfortable) the staff we dealt with after her birth were all amazing?especially in the F8 ward (private/special accomodation) of the hospital. They address you by name, they make it their job to get you whatever you need (you even have your own call button), the room I was in, I shared with one other woman and they just treat you really nicely. In the F8 ward they have a wall of apprecation that is jam-packed full of letters and pictures. And the letters aren't like ?Thanks for the good job?--they say things like, ?My stay in the F8 ward changed my life!? The F8 ward also serves people who are recovering from major surgery and other procedures. I highly recommend booking a place there if you give birth at Pamela Youde and you feel the expense is not too much?it made my first few days of recovery great. And also...visiting hours are from 8 am until 9 pm every day which you'd think would be a hassle but in my case I found that great?that my husband and family could be with me the entire time. Also, although children under 12 are not usually allowed in the wards, F8 makes an exception as long as the children behave well?so my 3-year-old and his 5-year-old friend were able to visit me every day I was in the hospital.

I was kept for three days in the hospital for observation and the paediatrians and doctors were all great. In fact, on my last day, a young doctor came for rounds to ?inspect the wound.? I think he was a bit in awe because I was breastfeeding and as far as I could gather, I was the only woman in the ward who was exclusively breastfeeding. He commented that I knew how to operate the electric bed very well. After he had inspected us he kind of just stood there for a minute and then said enthusiastically, ?Well, you can be discharged today and I really hope for all the best for you and your family!? He was like grinning from ear-to-ear. I've never seen a happier doctor in Hong Kong.

My daughter has a small blood-blister like thing at the back of her neck and the paedaetrician was able to help us follow up on it with a dermatologist. They checked her cord blood and found that she needed more testing so we went in for another blood draw today as the index for her thyroid were a bit low. But, all along, the staff we dealt with after the birth in no way tried to scare or bully us and totally treated us with dignity and respect.

So, that is my second birth experience. My labor was 12 hours, start-to-finish, much less than the 43 I went through with my son. As I wanted, it was a spontaneous, unaugmented, unmedicated labor and birth?and she was born ON her due date without induction! I only was at the hospital for 4 of the 12 hours of my labor which was just enough. My husband did the bulk of the work supporting me (and his sore arms the next day were a testament to that). We really worked as a team. We made the baby and together we pushed that baby out! Ha! Love it! I feel more in love with the man than ever!

So far, no baby blues. I could get up and bathe myself about 6 hours after labor which was awesome as it had been a full 48 hours with my previous birth. I am doing really well! My daughter breastfeeds well and sleeps well and is what I would call an ?angel baby?--totally different experience from the ?spirited baby? my son was and is.

And I have to thank God for this entire experience. There were so many people praying for us and I just feel like totally in awe of the experience?it was a total blessing!

Hi Thanka,

I am so amazed by what you have done, bravo! So may I know all in all how much did you pay for the hospital bill? Is it at Pamela Youda? The visiting hours at F8 is really what I have been trying to look for. Do you think I can still get a booking there with your doctor at week 36 now? Appreciate if you could pass me the contact number of your doctor. Thank you so much!

Best regards,
mavislohsp
 
it's a public hospital. you do NOT get to choose the doctor, nor do you "book" a bed... you register with them (if you are living in their catchment area) and then you show up when you are in labour. you are not guaranteed to even have met the doctor who delivers your baby. you get the doctor who is working that day.
 
ps> as a public hospital, they WILL NOT turn anyone away.... you just may not get the F8 ward, if it is already full.

also, thanka noted that she paid $7200 for the entire stay and delivery.
 
Thanks carang, I missed out that part where thanka noted she paid HKD7200 all in all. Am I right to say that I must be able to provide a bill or something with my name on it to prove that I am living in their catchment area? Else i won't be able to register with them? Actually I have also registered with Princess Margaret Hospital, but they said if happen that day have emergency operation or too many mommy in labour, husband will not be allowed to accompany their wife, they seems like going to keep husband away if possible. I desperately need my husband to be by my side to support me. I assumed Pamela Youde are more encouraging husband to accompany throughout the whole process?!
 
they are both public hospitals and basically all public hospitals follow the hospital authority guidelines. husbands are generally allowed to accompany their wife. they ALWAYS tell you the "worst case scenario" as they cannot guarantee anythin
 
May I ask you a question about the laboring room? The one I saw at Baptist was so cramped. Each berth, separated by a curtain, was barely wide enough for a single bed and the TONS of equipment inside. The passageway was extremely narrow and right outside was a corridor filled with mainland men sitting around with giant suitcases.

My question is -- how can anyone move around in that space? All the things you described -- putting your hands on the wall, having your husband support you from behind -- they would have been impossible in the area I saw.

Any guidance is appreciated. And congrats again!
 
Also, are all labouring rooms in hospitals so very open to the public? I'm not a very shy person, but I don't know I want a bunch of strange Chinese men gaping and leering while I run around in a hospital gown, squatting, yelling, etc.
 
labouring rooms and delivery rooms are not the same... you get moved to a delivery room when you get to a certain point in the labour. these are private rooms (at least the ones in QMH are). during the lead up, they have you in the regular ward, until you get to the point you need to move to the delivery room. you ARE allowed to walk around, but if you are not in a special ward, then your hubby can only come in during the visiting hours. you will see women walking down the halls with their husbands if they are in the begining stages and it's not visiting hours.
 
Thanks for sharing your birth experiences, Honkyblues. It seems that you had relatively short labors throughout! I was hoping for a 5-hour labor--to me that was the shortest I felt would be not totally freak-out, panicky. But, to me, man, a 12-hour labor was sooooo much shorter than a 43-hour labor that it felt quick!

My doctor - Dr Ghosh - was fabulous. He was there for the pushing part, kept patting my leg, telling me not to scream and to focus that energy on pushing (he's right, it helps!). He let me deliver kneeling backwards on the bed. Baby was born after 4hrs 20 mins of labour.

See, that's what the books tell you and that's what I was trained in with my first birth--to relax and not yell--but actually, it's so true that every labor is so different. With my son, the thing that helped me the most was that I just started counting through contractions--no one taught me to count but to me at the time, counting meant that the contraction wouldn't go on forever so if I could count to 60 seconds, then I would know that the end was in sight.

But, this labor, although I was actually very relaxed (much moreso than with my son--hence my ability to dilate and get through labor in a much shorter period of time) vocalizing (controlled yelling, essentially) made my labor go by very quickly and next to counter-pressure it was the only thing that consistently helped me go through contractions. So, my theory is, whatever works, works. I know a friend in the States who has had at least 4 homebirths and she is SO QUIET during labor--she just says that for her internalizing is most effective. But, for me, and my personality, wow, praying at the top of my lungs was so effective in labor and even though maybe I wasn't "saving enough energy"--I just did what worked at the time--what my body told me to do. But, with this baby, I didn't ever have to even try to push--my uterus just did everything for me--so that's why the "pushing phase" was actually less than 2 minutes long! So, anyway, it was super annoying to have these nurses trying to tell me to "relax, be quiet etc." because I already read that book...been there, done that...I did it with my son but this baby wanted to make her entrance into the world with more "pizazz" I guess. He he he!
 
Hi Thanka,

I am so amazed by what you have done, bravo! So may I know all in all how much did you pay for the hospital bill? Is it at Pamela Youda? The visiting hours at F8 is really what I have been trying to look for. Do you think I can still get a booking there with your doctor at week 36 now? Appreciate if you could pass me the contact number of your doctor. Thank you so much!

Best regards,
mavislohsp

The F8 ward is available on a first-come, first-serve basis and you cannot "book ahead." When you show up at the hospital in labor you ask them for the form--your husband (or whoever is with you) will need to fill it out and they will rush it off to the ward to see about availability. If there is a bed available when you give birth then you can have it but you have to pay the deposit ($14K) while you are giving birth. We actually had my father-in-law go do that for us because, well, we were busy having a baby at the point. It's a pretty rushed situation because of the high demand for those beds--so as soon as you arrive at the hospital, ask for the form for the Special Accomodation Ward and have someone quickly fill it out and be ready with cash or your credit card to go to the shroff office to pay the deposit. The charges are around $2,200/day for the ward I stayed in (not private, I had a roommate) and I stayed for 3 days because I needed to be observed for bleeding. Most women are there about 1-2 days. The charges are all-inclusive but if you go fully into the private ward your charges, including labor and delivery will be itemized so it is substantially more expensive (and probably not worth the extra charge, in my opinion).

At 36 weeks, unless you are in the catchment area (Hong Kong Island East) for Pamela Youde, I'm not sure you'll get in. Yes, you could show up on their doorstep in labor and they're not going to turn you away but it could make it more complicated for you because they won't have your files or data--unless you can get all your medical files from your private doctor and bring them with you. Someone here had suggested going to the Mother and Child Health Center in that catchment and asking that you be assigned to Pamela Youde. For PY, the MCHC is in Sai Wan Ho. They probably will ask you for proof of residence (a bill or other official document sent to your residence that shows you live in the catchment area) so you'll need to have this document with you when you go.
 
My question is -- how can anyone move around in that space? All the things you described -- putting your hands on the wall, having your husband support you from behind -- they would have been impossible in the area I saw.

Any guidance is appreciated. And congrats again!

The labor room I was in was not huge but it wasn't a bed separated by a curtain either. It was a cubicle with a wall on three sides and a curtain in front. The space was approximately 12 feet X 12 feet. That was the "delivery" (birthing) room (I purposely don't use the word "delivery" when I talk about my birthing because I didn't feel I needed someone to come and "deliver" me or my baby of anything--to me, the word "birth" is sufficient to describe what is actually happening).

In most public hospitals, from what I understand, there is a labor room and a "delivery" room. Some people show up to the hospital quite early in their labor and they are in early labor and are thus put in the labor room but with Pamela Youde, at 4 cm you can go to the "delivery" room. Prior to this you're in the labor room and unless it's visiting hours your husband can't be in there with you. This is the reason why I avoided the hospital in early labor. And thankfully as this was my second birth, I knew when my body was at the point that I was going into active labor. I was able to time it so that I arrived at the hospital when my contractions were coming every 1 1/2 minutes and lasting 1 minute which indicates active labor.
 
yes, see, i had no choice but to go the route that i did. with extremely high blood pressure and the onset of pre-eclampsia, vaginal birth was not an option the first time round.... it also caused problems the second time round.

as for pain? my epidural didn't "take" during my first c-section and i could feel everything.... so, i, too experienced the pain... just a different kind.

Yes, I remember that your c-sections were totally a medical necessity. There are definitely cases in which c-sections must be performed. My best friend just this past week had to have a c-section even though she had planned and prepared for a natural, unmedicated childbirth because her baby was not doing well in the womb (the placenta wasn't nourishing the baby well) and he needed to be taken out almost 4 weeks early for his safety.

I think what I typed earlier was a bit unclear. What I meant about pain was not that c-sections are always (or ever?) painless. I've never had one but from listening to you and friends with similar experiences, I gather that c-sections often carry their own special type of discomfort (not to mention if the epidural doesn't actually take!--yikes!)

My remarks were more of a general response to a lot of the responses in this thread regarding the pain I went through in labor--I just wanted to point out so to other women who are thinking about childbirth that pain is often just a part of labor and it's nothing to be afraid of and probably the amount of pain I went through isn't really all that remarkable.

But, also that there is a difference between pain and suffering (I would say that a c-section without a properly done epidural would qualify for the "suffering" category--correct me if I'm wrong) and for me what made labor not "suffering" for me this time was the fact that I had some sort of way to deal with the pain (counter-pressure, vocalizing etc.) and also that my husband was continuously with me--so the environment/situation really affected me in a positive way which turned the pain into something I could move with and through--something that didn't overwhelm me or make me feel helpless. I couldn't really control the pain but I could remain somewhat in control of my response to it.
 
Also, are all labouring rooms in hospitals so very open to the public? I'm not a very shy person, but I don't know I want a bunch of strange Chinese men gaping and leering while I run around in a hospital gown, squatting, yelling, etc.

Uh...no, the hospital wards are not at all "open to the public." I guess what I described in my birth story was me entering the hospital. You have to check in and we were standing by the shroff office when I was having contractions and that's when the older Chinese guys sitting around were staring at me--but I wasn't in a hospital gown or anything like that.

I never went into the regular wards because I purposely showed up late in my labor so I wouldn't have to wait around in the ward going through labor by myself (without my husband). Not sure how things work during visiting hours in this ward. My advice is to stay away from the hospital until your contractions are at least less than 3 minutes apart--if you're willing to do that--so hopefully you can just go right into the "delivery" room without having to hang out in the general ward.

Once you're in the "delivery" room the only people coming in and out are doctors and nurses. There are other women in the same area going through labor but you won't see them and they won't see you--they are in different cubicles also separated by curtains and they and their husbands aren't wandering around the ward.

Even my husband had difficulty getting supplies (towels, tissue, napkins) from the nurses because they took off and rarely came back to check on us AND he also knew he couldn't be wandering around about the cubicles looking for someone as he might peep in on someone else in labor on accident.

I was completely naked throughout most of my labor and the only people who saw that were my husband and the nurses (and maybe a doctor--not sure) who came in and out.
 
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