Not Your Imagination: HK Air Pollution Going Up EXPONENTIALLY--Chart

My concern level with HK air pollution is....

  • RED-I am alarmed and this may affect my length of stay here

    Votes: 14 63.6%
  • ORANGE-I'm scared but it's too soon to say whether this will affect my length of stay here

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • YELLOW-I'm watching cautiously but am not too upset at the moment

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • GREEN-This is the way it is and I'm cool with it

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Total voters
    22

thanka2

Registered User
Folks, the first time I set foot in HK was back in 2002 (I know, I know, compared to some of you HK long-termers my stay here is but a flash in time) and I can tell you that the air pollution was NOWHERE near as bad then as it is now.

Here is the data from the HK Observatory demonstrating my suspicions that not only has the air pollution increased since 2002 but that it has done so exponentially. Check out this chart. From 2002-2005 reduced visibility due to particle suspension (mainly due to air pollution) more than DOUBLED. It's back down a little bit now but not by much.

What do you ladies think about all this? I am feeling increasingly unwell with the air pollution as my lungs just can't handle it anymore. I also feel so sad about the state of things. I feel guilty for allowing my child to breathe the air here! :(
 
I created a site to compare the air quality here vs. the air quality monitoring standards in other countries.

http://www.theairyoubreathe.com/

Basically if you are coming from Australia or France, under their systems we are at the highest air quality warning systems pretty much every day.

And just for a bit of a visual, I replaced the filters in my air cleaners last night. Here is what 4 months of use looks like vs. a new filter, and this is in a room that is kept quite clean.

air.jpg
 
Funnily enough, before we moved here my son used to get sick a lot (he was prem). In the UK he had numerous chest infections and pneumonia as his lungs were under developed at birth. We lived quite close to the hospital and spend many nights in there with him over the four years we lived there. The doctors suspected he may develop asthma.

Since we moved here, he has been to the doctors a grand total of three times, all of which were just for check ups and issue with his eyes. He has not been on any medication and seems to be coping quite well with the air quality.

But, when I travel in to central (on the rare occasions that I do!) I can feel it on my skin and I do struggle to catch my breath. My children are rarely on hong kong island though as we live in the new territories.
 
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I created a site to compare the air quality here vs. the air quality monitoring standards in other countries.

http://www.theairyoubreathe.com/

Basically if you are coming from Australia or France, under their systems we are at the highest air quality warning systems pretty much every day.

And just for a bit of a visual, I replaced the filters in my air cleaners last night. Here is what 4 months of use looks like vs. a new filter, and this is in a room that is kept quite clean.

air.jpg

All I can say is "Wow." We don't even have an air filter at home yet. Guess that is high on our priority list now!
 
Funnily enough, before we moved here my son used to get sick a lot (he was prem). In the UK he had numerous chest infections and pneumonia as his lungs were under developed at birth. We lived quite close to the hospital and spend many nights in there with him over the four years we lived there. The doctors suspected he may develop asthma.

Since we moved here, he has been to the doctors a grand total of three times, all of which were just for check ups and issue with his eyes. He has not been on any medication and seems to be coping quite well with the air quality.

But, when I travel in to central (on the rare occasions that I do!) I can feel it on my skin and I do struggle to catch my breath. My children are rarely on hong kong island though as we live in the new territories.

I've had the opposite experience. But, I didn't come from the UK so I don't know what the air quality is like there. But, I have never, ever had any lung or breathing problems until last year when I started to develop some serious problems. My son and I now have a continuous hacking cough and I really can't breathe well. I also live in the New Territories but we get pollution straight from Lamma Island (the coal-fired electric plants there are on the top ten list of worst polluters in the world, actually--even though supposedly they've cleaned things up in recent years--I'll find the watchdog website that charts this and post it later) as well as pollution directly from Shenzhen AND the villagers burn their trash which creates low-lying smoke that makes going outside unbearable on some days (they burn plastics as well). So, actually, when we go to HK Island East to visit my parents-in-law because at least we're getting some ocean air breeze it's like a relief for my lungs!

My sister was here for 6 months living with us last year and she returned back to my home city in the States and said for 8 weeks straight she coughed up black muck from her lungs as she recovered from being in HK. Yuck.
 
@ Thanka

So now you're living in HK Island East with the in-laws? That's pretty near me. :) I'm at the far end of east. I like it here too especially if i see blue skies and eagles gilding. :)

Honestly, when i first came HK, i was very sick or rather get sick frequently. I remember there's one time that the pollution in Central is so bad that the moment i reached office, i was so sick that i need to go to see a dr and took half day sick leave.

After living in this isolated far end of of island east, i felt so much better and less visits to dr.

Wonder when your baby is coming? I'm getting excited for you as you're always posting. :P
 
I've had the opposite experience. But, I didn't come from the UK so I don't know what the air quality is like there. But, I have never, ever had any lung or breathing problems until last year when I started to develop some serious problems. My son and I now have a continuous hacking cough and I really can't breathe well. I also live in the New Territories but we get pollution straight from Lamma Island (the coal-fired electric plants there are on the top ten list of worst polluters in the world, actually--even though supposedly they've cleaned things up in recent years--I'll find the watchdog website that charts this and post it later) as well as pollution directly from Shenzhen AND the villagers burn their trash which creates low-lying smoke that makes going outside unbearable on some days (they burn plastics as well). So, actually, when we go to HK Island East to visit my parents-in-law because at least we're getting some ocean air breeze it's like a relief for my lungs!

My sister was here for 6 months living with us last year and she returned back to my home city in the States and said for 8 weeks straight she coughed up black muck from her lungs as she recovered from being in HK. Yuck.

That sounds awful. It is weird how it affects people differently because you see a lot of posts where children and adults develop skin issues and breathing problems. We have been quite lucky so far, but issues may develop when they are older so I will be keeping a close eye on them!
 
I feel guilty for allowing my child to breathe the air here! :(

Better than NOT allowing him to breathe right? ;) ;)

It's funny though, the asthma rate in Australia is WORSE than the asthma rate here. Yes Hong Kong has a lot of pollution, but Australia has a ridiculous amount of "natural particles" in the air - pollen, etc. My hayfever is MUCH worse in Australia than in Hong Kong. I find that the pollen in Oz affects me a lot more than the pollution here. The pollution doesn't tend to bother me too much.

My daughter tends to get an "allergic cough" when the weather changes, and the doc says she may be slightly asthmatic - but both her father and I were asthmatic as kids (I grew out of it though, he still has a bit of asthma) so I think it's probably more genetic than the environment, and I know that for asthma, HK is still better than Australia when you look at the rates of the disease.
 
@ nicolejoy

I totally agree with you for the hayfever thing. I remember when i was studying in Sydney, there was one time that the doc gave me 2 or 3 days of sick leave seeing how sick i was. I practically cant do anything except just lying and sleeping.

He even want to use the breather for asthma patients. :(
 
@ nicolejoy

I totally agree with you for the hayfever thing. I remember when i was studying in Sydney, there was one time that the doc gave me 2 or 3 days of sick leave seeing how sick i was. I practically cant do anything except just lying and sleeping.

He even want to use the breather for asthma patients. :(

I had to go on the nebulizer (breathing machine for asthma patients) as well as asthmatic medication last summer when I was taken to the hospital by ambulance because I couldn't breathe. And I DO NOT HAVE ASTHMA. All I know is that my lungs hurt and my eyes burn half of the time when I'm outside in HK. Not fun. Never been to Australia so I wouldn't know how it would be for me there but in the States completely fine.
 
Better than NOT allowing him to breathe right? ;) ;)

It's funny though, the asthma rate in Australia is WORSE than the asthma rate here. Yes Hong Kong has a lot of pollution, but Australia has a ridiculous amount of "natural particles" in the air - pollen, etc. My hayfever is MUCH worse in Australia than in Hong Kong. I find that the pollen in Oz affects me a lot more than the pollution here. The pollution doesn't tend to bother me too much.

My daughter tends to get an "allergic cough" when the weather changes, and the doc says she may be slightly asthmatic - but both her father and I were asthmatic as kids (I grew out of it though, he still has a bit of asthma) so I think it's probably more genetic than the environment, and I know that for asthma, HK is still better than Australia when you look at the rates of the disease.

ITA.

I have fairly severe asthma. I am hospitalised at least once a year, I take inhaled steroids twice a day, bla bla bla. But my asthma is better here than in Australia. The big difference is that here the air is so filthy nothing can live. The only time I have severe attacks is when I get a cold or flu. Unlike when I'm in Australia where pollen, grass, colds, etc can trigger an attack. The pollution certainly doesn't help when I am already suffering, but it hasn't triggered an attack for me.
 
Funnily enough, before we moved here my son used to get sick a lot (he was prem). In the UK he had numerous chest infections and pneumonia as his lungs were under developed at birth. We lived quite close to the hospital and spend many nights in there with him over the four years we lived there. The doctors suspected he may develop asthma.

Since we moved here, he has been to the doctors a grand total of three times, all of which were just for check ups and issue with his eyes. He has not been on any medication and seems to be coping quite well with the air quality.

But, when I travel in to central (on the rare occasions that I do!) I can feel it on my skin and I do struggle to catch my breath. My children are rarely on hong kong island though as we live in the new territories.

Same with my daughter; she had pnemonia three times in one year and I was told that she had reactive airway disease (children can't be diagnosed with asthma until after 3 or 5 years old (not sure which); she was 1.5 when she first got pnemonia. This was back in the states where it is very cold. The doctor told me that when we move back to HK when could ween off of the inhaler because of the warmer air. Since we have been back, she has been off the inhaler and breathing wonderfully (knock on wood). I believe it is from the warmer air.
 
The big difference is that here the air is so filthy nothing can live.

I don't think that's "scientifically true". I think that the big difference is that Australia has a lot of trees and plants such as the Wattle that put a LOT of pollen into the air, also mowing grass also puts a lot of grass particles into the air too. Hong Kong for one isn't as green - and what trees we DO have don't release pollen as badly as a lot of the Australian natives.
 
Something I find interesting about the comments so far on this thread is that many people are talking about allergies and asthma--which of course, make one's life miserable and unbearable and in some cases can prove very dangerous (as Koan has talked about) but in the vast majority of cases is one of those discomforts in life that most people use medication to deal with. Many people suffer from allergies and asthma all over the world for various reasons (high pollen content in the air, for example, as nicolejoy pointed out or even personal immune system issues). People who live in somewhat pristine environments may still have problems with asthma or allergies despite breathing cleaner air.

But, what I'd like to talk about--and maybe others have more information regarding this--is the toxic properties found in the air in HK. I don't think you can go and get an antihistamine or steroid to help your lungs cope with (or clean them of) toxic matter in the air--such as sulfur dioxide *damages lungs when inhaled*; nitrogen oxide *causes pulmonary edema*; carbon monoxide *toxic to the central nervous system and heart, can severely affect fetuses, causes headaches and dizziness*; VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) *aromatic compounds such as benzene, toluene and xylene are potential carcinogens and may cause leukemia, cause "sick building syndrome", contribute to respiratory problems*; ozone *irritation of the respiratory system and respiratory infections, inflammation and damage to the lining of the lungs*; POPs (Peristant Organic Pollutants) *death and illness, disruption of the endocrine, reproductive and immune systems, neurobehavioral disorders, cancers*; Airborne Particles *asthma, lung cancer, cardiovascular problems*

This goes beyond allergies and asthma. And while I am happy to hear any good news come out of the fact that HK's visibility is less than 8 km for 30% of the year now--to hear that asthma sufferers and people who have problems with pollen might find HK a better place for them. I don't think we can just be delusional about the reality of air pollution in this city. Because a few people who suffered from asthma have benefited from lower pollen levels in HK does not make any of the above toxic substances that you and your children are breathing every day any less damaging or cancerous.

I wish I could find an image of an ad from Clean The Air Hong Kong that frequently runs in HK Magazine with a picture of a surgical mask and a heading that says "Deadlier than Swine Flu and SARS"--air pollution kills ____ people each year in Hong Kong.

The government is under pressure to do something. But when you have a Chief Executive who says non sequitur things like this:

"The life expectancy in Hong Kong is among the highest in the world ... you can come to only one conclusion: we have the most environmentally friendly place for people, for executives, for Hong Kong people to live."

However, there seems to be a general delusion (ignoring the elephant in the room) about the real air quality of HK air which the EPA has been criticized for--basically Hong Kong uses it's own made-up air quality measurements and does not use international standards (trying to hide something?) and does not even report on some of the major pollutants. How many of us have listened to the evening news only to hear the weather caster say, "The pollution forecast for tomorrow ranges from LOW to HIGH." What does that even mean? It's like saying, "Tomorrow it could be freezing or hot."
 
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Another "fun fact":

Hong Kong's air pollution is costing the city at least $11 billion HKD/annually. Any ideas for how we could better spend that money?

My vote is more green space and public parks for our children to play on...but that's just me.

The Real Pollution Index ticker on this page is also helpful:

http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/campaigns/air-pollution/real-index/main

At the time of posting out here in Yuen Long, the RSP has exceeded WHO acceptable levels:

Yuen Long
1 air pollutant(s) have exceeded the WHO standards
Respirable Suspended Particulates (1.48 times WHO levels)
The observed human health effects of RSP include breathing and respiratory symptoms (such as shortness of breath, coughing and wheezing), aggravation of existing respiratory disease and damage to lung tissues.

Guess since it's only 1.5 times higher than the WHO levels we're having a good day here in the NT.

Here you can find chart levels for major pollutants in all districts in HK that are updated (hourly, I think):

http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/campaigns/air-pollution/real-index/bar-chart
 
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I created a site to compare the air quality here vs. the air quality monitoring standards in other countries.

http://www.theairyoubreathe.com/

Basically if you are coming from Australia or France, under their systems we are at the highest air quality warning systems pretty much every day.

And just for a bit of a visual, I replaced the filters in my air cleaners last night. Here is what 4 months of use looks like vs. a new filter, and this is in a room that is kept quite clean.

air.jpg

Wow. Great website, BTW. What motivated you to make it?
 
@ Thanka

So now you're living in HK Island East with the in-laws? That's pretty near me. :) I'm at the far end of east. I like it here too especially if i see blue skies and eagles gilding. :)

Wonder when your baby is coming? I'm getting excited for you as you're always posting. :P

I used to live in Shau Kei Wan with my parents-in-law in 2007 but since the end of that year I've been living out here in the New Territories. Over Christmas and New Year I visited them quite a lot as my son spends a bit of time with them each week. I was surprised at how much better my lungs (and eyes and skin) felt after only a couple of days at their house.

My due date is on March 17, St. Patrick's Day so feel free to bring me a green beer or something in the hospital. He he he! I've posted a lot of stuff lately as I'm really gearing up for the birth right now and I had a significant amount of days off for CNY so I had time to do research and I really like to share things here that I personally find helpful or interesting. Are you also pregnant?
 
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